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Other Classic Arcade Games => Classic Arcade Game Discussion => Topic started by: homerwannabee on June 16, 2015, 09:06:19 am
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It would still be incredibly small. I mean we would go from 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 10,000. That is still a blip on the cultural map.
At the moment there are more Republican, male to female transgenders, who are attracted to women like Caitlyn Jenner than there are classic gamers out there.
So I could see this hobby becoming 10 times bigger only because we would still be extremely rare.
Edit: I am not joking about my comparison either. There are about 3,000 competitive classic gamers. There are 700,000 transgenders in the U.S. cut that in half for male to female and you get 350,000. About 1 in 5 are republican. So now you have 70,000. About 1 in 4 are attracted to the same sex. So now the number is 17,500.
Yes, there are five and a half times more male to female transgender, republicans, who are attracted to the same sex.
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I didn't read this post because the thread title is Clickbait 101.
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I am so confused about this entire thread.
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I am so confused about this entire thread.
Let me explain in a point by point basis.
Point 1) We are a super small hobby
Point 2) You get a sense of just how small we are when you start comparing our hobby to things that are extremely unusual in life.
Point 3) We would still be a very small hobby if you multiplied the number of us by 10.
Point 4) Because we are so small I could see us being 10 times bigger because it wouldn't take a big social movement to get us 10 times bigger.
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How many Republican male-to-female transgenders attracted to Caitlyn Jenner are also classic gamers?
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Kappa
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How many Republican male-to-female transgenders attracted to Caitlyn Jenner are also classic gamers?
The math would state it's either 0 or 1 with an outside possibility of 2 Kappa
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So if Caitlyn Jenner put up a legit DK score of say 350k would PSP do a profile of 'her' and add it to his 'Women of Gaming' section? Would Caitlyn replace Kayla Rose as the best female Donkey Kong player in the world? If there's a Donkey Kong tourney with a female division will Caitlyn Jenner be allowed to sign up for it? Do you think Caitlyn would have an unfair advantage playing DK as Pauline? Are Republicans better at Donkey Kong than Democrats? These are the thoughts that keep me up at night.
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These are the thoughts that keep me up at night.
Understandable. These are questions as old as time.
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<Tim> This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever seen on DKF.
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what the actual fuck
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lovit.
George is the best poster.
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Not agreeing or disagreeing, but you aren't really providing any sources for your statistics. I'm also not sure where the 3,000 classic competitive gamer count came from, but would be interested to know how you got there. Help us understand the math, please, so we can properly discuss this hypothesis and adjust the statistical model appropriately.
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I think "in this hobby" needs to be defined. I believe there are more than you may think that enjoy the classics vs. actually compete at them.
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3000 is a generous guesstimate. I also didn't say just classic gamers. I used the term competitive classic gamers. People who care enough to put up a score for a classic game.
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Again it is a guesstimate. I wanted a number that was a liberal guess. Something most could agree was at either that number or lower. It seems to me the number is much lower. DK forum is 500. Retro Uprising seems to be 1250 with top 10 scores. I got that number from best players index, and noticed it went from 6 to 5 at 870 to 930, and 5 to 4 at 930 to 990 or so. That says to me that there are about 1250 or so scores. Donkey kong has 360 or so scores with many repeats. I figured that marp and Twin Galaxies were not as large as RU because of the harder to submit scores process. I also figured that there were a lot of repeats of the same people from all these organizations. Also, I dont count the people who have not submitted a score in 30 years. Back then they were not classic games.
So in short I guesstimated the actual number was 3000.
Having said all this I should have added two words to competitive classic gamer. Competitive high score classic gamer. Because there are many speed runners. If you include them, the number is probably much higher. Sorry my bad.
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If you actually were able to follow my long rambling post, than you may very well have the mind to play Donkey Kong 3 at a high level. Kappa
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I used the term competitive classic gamers.
Oh okay, I see it now. I missed it the first time for some reason.
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I read the phrasing correctly the first time, and I agree that 3,000 is at least a decent estimate as far as competitive classic gamers active in the last few years in some capacity (yes, including speed runners). I would say there might be others in parts of the world on their own sites, in there own languages, at their own arcades, or in some other way still compete without being on our radar. Heck, even if we triple that 3,000 for those unknown gamers, we're still only at 9,000 worldwide.
I underlined worldwide because you are clearly comparing to a subset of the world. There is no real International equivalent for that side of the comparison since you're looking at one party in a certain political environment in one first-world country. That's part of why I asked about the source, too. It looks like you are using very vague probabilities like "1 in 5 are republicans" which sounds believable in that it would be less than half, but is it based on a reliable source on percentage of transgender homosexuals and political affiliations?
I'm not questioning you, George, I just want to make sure we get this thing right so we all know just what rare and special unicorns we are. Kappa
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what a god awful thread post
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Do you come up with this stuff on your own or do you have to do research on how to sound like an idiot? FailFish
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ummmm.... (wda)( <confused> )∞
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23 percent of homosexuals are republican according to a survey I read using my google search. Yes, not the greatest way to do it. I figured transgenders might be more inclined to be democrat.
Wes? God awful? Awful like the Last Airbender where it is so bad it it actually becomes a good movie? Kappa
Hey, if I don't bring this up who will? No one! Oh wait, thats probably your point. BibleThump
I forgot to answer a question from earlier. Should Caitlyn Jenner be allowed to compete against women in Donkey Kong? Well when it comes to athletics I dont think male to females should be allowed to compete against women. I being a 5 foot 10 inch man have no height advantage against males. But make me a woman, and now I have a height advantage of six inches, which in turn makes me have an advantage against woman since height is a plus in many sports. Since Donkey Kong is hand eye instead of height I would say I am undecided on the issue. I have not thought the issue out enough to decide one way or the other.
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Do you come up with this stuff on your own or do you have to do research on how to sound like an idiot? FailFish
It's a natural born ability. <Roy>
Alas I need to have more human decency, and an ounce of self respect. But, what evs.
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So what you're saying is that TG has more than 200 times as many members as TG?
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In DK it's clearly an advantage to be short, as the distance between hand and eye is shorter, allowing for quicker reactions...
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Well, truth is I am a free spirit. I like throwing out thoughts, and ideas for the sake of throwing out thoughts, and ideas. Because of that I will throw out some stinkers a time or two. This apparently was a smelly one. It happens. 8)
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Riley for President! <pacman>
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They hire people like you George at a quality newspaper called The Onion FailFish
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You know a sociologist would have a field day with this thread. I didn't say a single bad thing about anyone. Nothing I said was particularly controversial. Everyone here can agree on my main point. We have a very small hobby, even if you disagree with the numbers. Yes my analogy is perplexing, but it still backs up my point.
There is no real reason to razz me over this. It's piling on for the sake of piling on.
The biggest irony of all is all the people claiming to be confused specifically will not say what is MOST confusing to them(see I know someone will respond with "all of it is confusing").
So specifically what is most WDA?
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Nothing I said was particularly controversial.
Sure... <Tim>
The biggest irony of all is all the people claiming to be confused specifically will not say what is MOST confusing to them(see I know someone will respond with "all of it is confusing").
So specifically what is most WDA?
My main confusion is all the superfluity.
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Nothing I said was particularly controversial ... There is no real reason to razz me over this ... The biggest irony of all is all the people claiming to be confused specifically will not say what is MOST confusing to them(see I know someone will respond with "all of it is confusing"). So specifically what is most WDA?
It's not irony - this kind of thing should be common sense, so let me help you.
You are comparing a niche group to the CAG community. There are many niche groups that exist. You could've written:
"At the moment there are more people who understand cuneiform than there are classic gamers out there."
"At the moment there are more people who practice fire breathing than there are classic gamers out there."
"At the moment there are more people who compete in chess boxing than there are classic gamers out there."
"At the moment there are more people who collect Snapple bottlecaps than there are classic gamers out there."
"At the moment there are more people who are amateur backyard rocket builders than there are classic gamers out there."
You instead chose to write:
"At the moment there are more Republican, male to female transgenders, who are attracted to women like Caitlyn Jenner than there are classic gamers out there."
You're getting "razzed" and "piled on" because your choice of words was terrible. We already get enough heat from certain SJWs about being sexist and whatnot. Considering there's a tournament this week, it's likely we'll get a few newcomers on the board. Guess what the first topic they're going to see is?
That's why I said it once and I'll say it again - this is a god awful thread post.
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Ok, lesson learned. Talking about a controversial subject in a non controversial way will still bring up controversy. And I was long winded on the topic as well. Ok, lesson learned again.
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You know, now that Wes brought it up, I imagine I'd be pretty good at Chess-Boxing. Hmm...
http://worldchessboxing.com/ (http://worldchessboxing.com/)
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I have to say, I enjoyed this little trip into the downright bizarre.
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I enjoyed it almost as much as this thread:
https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=744.0 (https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=744.0)
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I have to say, I enjoyed this little trip into the downright bizarre.
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I enjoyed it almost as much as this thread:
https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=744.0 (https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=744.0)
We gotta keep these great threads fresh at the top of the stack for newcomers.
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If our hobby is so unpopular, then why have there been two major motion pictures released about it over the past couple of years (Wreck It Ralph and Pixels)? There have been no major motion pictures released recently about underwater basket weaving, binge onion eating, or rubber band inflicted blood flow cutoff to the circulation of your penis.
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i would not say this hobby is unpopular , i would say its only meant for a select few. oh sure everyone that was old enough in the 80s right up to 90`s who remember the games has a nostalgic feel for them.
Good memory of hanging out with there friends and music and all the trappings of being in an arcade (pizza and pop).
But like i sad "a select few" have the technical skills to handle all the challenges from wood working,art work, electronics,electrical (the games are AC to) and on other side coin Time and Money. So yes sure 100,000`s people will go see movie`s bring there kids try to share the experience with them , its not like they forgotten the games and there memory surrounding them, it just there are so meany barriers, to meany those who just dont have the will, the time, or the know how to get invalid. there still mame yes and if there was no mame i would not be here talking to you and i bet a lot games would not be restored and most likely trash , one can only hold on to so meany 300 pound refrigerator size artifacts. :)
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Well wreck it ralph was about the video game characters, and not about the players. Pixels is different. I do believe it could be a moment in the sun for a few of us. I can see Robbie Lakeman, Andrew Laidlaw, and David Race getting their 15 minutes of fame because they are "The real Donkey Kong, Galaga, and Pacman Champions."
I even see an increase in membership for the Donkey Kong forums. I believe 50 people will join the forums in August, after the movie comes out.
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If our hobby is so unpopular, then why have there been two major motion pictures released about it over the past couple of years (Wreck It Ralph and Pixels)? There have been no major motion pictures released recently about underwater basket weaving, binge onion eating, or rubber band inflicted blood flow cutoff to the circulation of your penis.
Because nostalgia is #1 in our popular culture right now. Underwater basket weaving was never popular but arcade gaming once was.
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Good point, nostalgia. I'll boot up the MAME cabinet and friends and family will get all giddy but stop playing after five minutes because the games were not as fulfilling as they remembered. <confused> Still, Walter Day said it best in the "King of Kong" movie... the classics were deeper and challenged strategy and reflexes more than games released after that. I 100% agree because I remain a lover of 80s classics and have always been lukewarm about anything release since then.
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If our hobby is so unpopular, then why have there been two major motion pictures released about it over the past couple of years (Wreck It Ralph and Pixels)?
I think you have the question backwards - if there are all these movies about classic games and gamers, why is our hobby so unpopular? ;D
CAG has had every opportunity to get big, and it still only moves at the slowest of drips. It just seems to be, for whatever reason, incredibly, inherently resistant to growth.
I think jammyyy made the point though. While everybody likes to play a few games of Ms. Pac Man or Galaga or DK or whatever, you really do need a specific kind of "brain" to want to truly grind at them.
I myself love that it's so tiny. :) I would never want to lose that "small town" everybody-knows-everybody feel. This is an authentic world, full of people who discovered it on their own and not because they were following some poser-filled trend. I like that. You find more interesting, real people in that type of thing.
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I guess being 12 and being a great classic gamer and having a World Record was the height of my life... it has all been downhill after that! ROFL