What is a "Documentary"? What is its legal definition?

[Mary McManus]

RTM was never a Wiebe-head, he was actually a Billy defender and anti-KoK for years after the release, it was him that said that about your tape. I know you have the tape, but did TG ever have the tape? That's what RTM's quote was saying:

Robert Mruczek states (August 24, 2007) that he does not know who verified this score, when the score was entered, or who entered it. Regarding the tape itself, Mruczek states: “no mention of this even being on tape has come across my level of attention.”

I believe Robert Murczek was refering to wiebies initial score on the double donkey kong PCB in this clip......my god you people are supposed to be experts on this and I shread your arguments everytime!           You know why........because I was actually there! and I know what I 'm talking about. I'm not basing my understanding of facts from KOK, thats why you people will lose your arguments every time!

And earlier when I said "Gotcha ya" , I was saying "got you" because I was agreeing with you. Steve sat down in 2003 when he looked up the score, he had to see your name, but once it was determined they were not going to mention your score, they obviously must have told Steve Wiebe to say Billy Mitchell's 874K score, because that fit the flow of the story. Probably made Steve uncomfortable to state it that way, but those producers can be intimidating during filming I'm sure.

[marinomitch13]

Hey, Tim, you know this is like the 4th time you've ranted in a thread, right?

Just figured I'd let you know, so you don't end up repeating yourself.

Not cool, mitch. Ranting is the first step to recovery, and we need to embrace that. Tim, I just want you to get better (and not end up like Mr. Awesome). Here's to a speedy acceptance and recovery!

What's the next step? I don't really see a way any of us can help fix the issue. We've already agreed/sympathized with him. Seems like it'd just be following in Shildt's footsteps to continue ranting now.  :-\

[TheSunshineFund]

If I was this upset about being shunned regarding something I worked hard to achieve years ago, rather than posting on forums about how wronged I was, I'd instead note how much interest Donkey Kong has generated since the movie came out and how much it carries still and use that time more constructively, namely, playing to break the current arcade WR.  Then again, I'm a bit of a poser CAG player and have imposed a sort of temporary hiatus on myself from gaming so what do I know....

Putting words in my mouth to frame the narrative "you" want others to believe" is pretty juvenile.

You say my time on this topic should be spent more constructively like trying to beat the current record? Well I did beat the record 13 years ago and look what happened. Fine you want to rub elbows at these events and think people like Steve, Billy and Walter Day are your buddies, go ahead and live in denial. 

As far as the poser comment I will definately beat "you" this weekend thats a 100% promise and I still have got my controll panel set right.

I'm going to a wedding this weekend.  There's no way you beat me at eating more steak and wedding cake.  100% promise.  Just kidding, I'm a cake eating poser.

[LMDAVE]

RTM was never a Wiebe-head, he was actually a Billy defender and anti-KoK for years after the release, it was him that said that about your tape. I know you have the tape, but did TG ever have the tape? That's what RTM's quote was saying:

Robert Mruczek states (August 24, 2007) that he does not know who verified this score, when the score was entered, or who entered it. Regarding the tape itself, Mruczek states: “no mention of this even being on tape has come across my level of attention.”

I believe Robert Murczek was refering to wiebies initial score on the double donkey kong PCB in this clip......my god you people are supposed to be experts on this and I shread your arguments everytime!           You know why........because I was actually there! and I know what I 'm talking about. I'm not basing my understanding of facts from KOK, thats why you people will lose your arguments every time!

Geez, Tim, the entire section about that quote was about your score, you didn't shred anything.  RTM deleted the comment on the CAGDC link (this was RTM's words about your score, not a clip from KoK), but even the title of that before he deleted his text was called "Tim's Score." Man, I'm giving you the opportunity to explain some things, and even went as far as telling you I agree with some of your stuff, but if you keep coming back with these childish insults and attacks, forget it then.

http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/

2001 April 23

Twin Galaxies verification date for Tim Sczerby’s videotaped record

Robert Mruczek states (August 24, 2007) that he does not know who verified this score, when the score was entered, or who entered it. Regarding the tape itself, Mruczek states: “no mention of this even being on tape has come across my level of attention.”
verified record    Tim Sczerby: 879,200
TG database    Tim Sczerby: 879,200 ?
unverified    n/a

    Classic Arcade Gaming Forum: Tim’s Score
    Twin Galaxies database, circa June 3, 2005 – King of Kong

[Mary McManus]

RTM was never a Wiebe-head, he was actually a Billy defender and anti-KoK for years after the release, it was him that said that about your tape. I know you have the tape, but did TG ever have the tape? That's what RTM's quote was saying:

Robert Mruczek states (August 24, 2007) that he does not know who verified this score, when the score was entered, or who entered it. Regarding the tape itself, Mruczek states: “no mention of this even being on tape has come across my level of attention.”

I believe Robert Murczek was refering to wiebies initial score on the double donkey kong PCB in this clip......my god you people are supposed to be experts on this and I shread your arguments everytime!           You know why........because I was actually there! and I know what I 'm talking about. I'm not basing my understanding of facts from KOK, thats why you people will lose your arguments every time!

Geez, Tim, the entire section about that quote was about your score, you didn't shred anything.  RTM deleted the comment on the CAGDC link (this was RTM's words about your score, not a clip from KoK), but even the title of that before he deleted his text was called "Tim's Score." Man, I'm giving you the opportunity to explain some things, and even went as far as telling you I agree with some of your stuff, but if you keep coming back with these childish insults and attacks, forget it then.

http://superbunker.com/resources/dkt/

2001 April 23

Twin Galaxies verification date for Tim Sczerby’s videotaped record

Robert Mruczek states (August 24, 2007) that he does not know who verified this score, when the score was entered, or who entered it. Regarding the tape itself, Mruczek states: “no mention of this even being on tape has come across my level of attention.”
verified record    Tim Sczerby: 879,200
TG database    Tim Sczerby: 879,200
unverified    n/a


Robert states he does not know who verified the score but obviously someone must've verified it or it would'nt have been accepted and Billy Mitchelle himself congratulated me.

Before I got to know Dwayne and I first met him, we watched that tape and he as a former ref said himself there was nothing wrong with it as it conformed to the rules at the time and there was no suspicious game play behavior.


So can anyone tell me why its still listed as unverified?

I can tell you why. Doesn't matter anyway I will just broad cast the old footage I sent to TG.13 years ago...a verification from TG is obvioulsy shit as I learned the hardway. No wonder noone wants to send in scores anymore.
    Classic Arcade Gaming Forum: Tim’s Score
    Twin Galaxies database, circa June 3, 2005 – King of Kong

[corey.chambers]

Tim, my friend, I am sure that by now we know and understand your opinion. So...... what do you want to accomplish here other than make thread after thread about stuff like this. Just play the game, enjoy the friendships, share your in-game pro-moments. As it is, I am not even reading your stuff any more, it is all the same, nothing really new, maybe you will be able to draw in a few people but I don't really think people in general come to the forum looking for any of this, and I am sure that new members would be better served with other things in the recent post section than seeing this stuff.

[Bliss1083]

Tim start a blog page!  Let everybody know what happened and what you're going to do to rectify the situation. Btw how much did you pay for your dragons lair? Since it's laser disc it's not really a mame game and would love to play it sometime. The lag on nintendo sucks for this title.

[Martin Laing]

As a teacher I like the question you have posed, and could be asked about any news article on TV, radio or written, or any film claiming to be a documentary. Media control of information is a big issue.

However, you have posed a question that can have two possible answers; yes it is a documentary or no it isn't a documentary. You have asked this question to the community on this forum. Having done that you have allowed us to respond either way, as is our right to answering any given question.

But you only accept a response that you agree with. If you ask a question you have to be willing to hear and accept any answers.

[Mary McManus]

As a teacher I like the question you have posed, and could be asked about any news article on TV, radio or written, or any film claiming to be a documentary. Media control of information is a big issue.

However, you have posed a question that can have two possible answers; yes it is a documentary or no it isn't a documentary.

This does not make sense, its pretty straight foward. Either it is or isn't theres no grey area inbetween when it comes to the actual history and facts.

You have asked this question to the community on this forum. Having done that you have allowed us to respond either way, as is our right to answering any given question.

But you only accept a response that you agree with. If you ask a question you have to be willing to hear and accept any answers.

 I don't have to accept the answers if they are just more fabricated lies and  cover ups. I agree with the facts not just what I what I want to hear. The trouble with the otherside of the argument is they KNOW I'm right so they keep presenting strawman/tarbaby arguments.

 If I can hear an explaination of why my score was swept under the rug and lied about and not included in the time line of the "STORY" which was chronicaled starting in 1982, I will accept that.

 Don't believe it was verified? Then look at the TG scoreboard right now, as it is still there........so obviously someone verified it didn't they?

Theres a resson I never broke that score on the scoreboard even though I have many times since 2005.

I have been asking this for 6 years and NOBODY offers any explaination  except "it was more entertaing with Steve and Billy" "Steve vs. Billy was a better story" (which is strictly opinion.....believe me I can be a complete asshole worse than Billy if I want to be)  this is the best argument offered.

 Now I will ask again, look at the legal definition at the start of the thread and ask yourself if KOK was a real DOC.

[corky]

What exactly are you looking for here?  Financial compensation? A reshoot and rerelease of KOK so you can be included?  A pity party?  Sorry to say, but I don't think any of those are going to happen.

We get your point.  We got your point the first 50 times.  I understand you're passionate about this, and that's ok.  I'm sure there are even others who see your side of things, but sounding like a broken record isn't helping your cause and certainly not gaining you any new converts.  You just start sounding (more) bitter and (more) vindictive.

Yeah, it sucks being marginalized, but you realize this happened, what, 7 years ago?  If nothing has changed since then, what makes you think beating it to death will make a difference?  What do you hope to accomplish?

This whole thread:
 

[giv]

I think Tim makes the most interesting posts here. Why on earth would you guys want to do anything to discourage this?

[Drunkguy89]

Thats the weirdest looking horse ive ever seen   

[corey.chambers]

To be honest, that horse beating graphic is the most amusing part of this thread.

[Martin Laing]

I think documentaries are no longer fully based on truth; or at least they are made with selective truth.

Look at "An Inconvenient Truth"; a "documentary about the danger the world is in due to global warming. Then look at "The Great Global Warming Swindle"; a documentary about how global warming is a lie. Both claim to be documentaries and based on facts, yet they contradict each other.

There are other documentaries that contradict other documentaries. Take the moon landing. Some say it happened, others that it was fake. Yet these documentaries claim to be truthful; yet we all know the moon landing was fake.

It's all about entertainment these days, so I guess the makers of KOK felt their truth made a more interesting story. Personally, I think having a third person (Tim) in the documentary would have made a really good twist.

[giv]

You know, everything on the DKForum doesn't have to be amusing for you. There are other people here who appreciate reading what Tim has to say. Me, for example.