Author Topic: Should Pauline scores count for the Main HSL? (Read 13647 times)

80sArcadeKid · « **Reply #15 on:** December 05, 2021, 04:57:03 pm »

Quote from: Rev John on December 04, 2021, 03:27:11 am

I fully suspect that Pauline is the exact same difficulty as regular DK. I'm guessing that the inp de-synced because of a different stream of random numbers being used, but I'm not aware of anything that would make them less random in a way that would affect difficulty. I think the game play experience would be the same.

I actually totally agree with this. The gameplay experience seems to be the same in terms of difficulty, mechanics and behaviour. It's a shame the divergence de-rails this.
By the Way - If you play back a dkong .inp in Pauline it divergess at the same point.

80sArcadeKid · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2021, 05:04:31 pm »

Quote from: sapphire_drag0n on December 04, 2021, 01:29:30 am

For the record, I had no idea that there was any difference (other than the images) between Pauline and DK. I'm having a beautiful Pauline cab made up and was testing out the roms for the first time. If Pauline is easier, harder or different to DK in terms of game play, then it really doesn't help my game play and practice. I never, ever wanted to cause or be involved in any kind of controversy or sides on anything that could have any kind of bad impact on an amazing community that I have enjoyed being part of and still enjoy being part of. For the record, I withdraw my submission for my new PB, and will do my best to get it or a better one again on my DK cab.

Kind regards,
Tanya.

That's why we love you!

I do think a Pauline leaderboard would be worthwhile, I'd love to see one and I'm sure anyone who want's to play as Pauline instead of Jumpman would as well.
I don't think it's a controversy (although I know I used that term in a message to Adam) - sorry I didn't mean it negatively.
I do love these kind of puzzles. Unfortunetly I'm not technical enough to understand what's going on with the whole .inp thing.

bensweeneyonbass · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2021, 07:59:07 pm »

I am but an ignorant man. But if someone performs on a PCB using a Pauline rom set it should be carried on the main HS list with an asterisk.

Rev John · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2021, 02:18:02 am »

I have another piece of puzzle to add. I can't figure out what may be different after the level 2 cut-scene, but I note that apart from sprite changes there is the "PAULINE EDITION" message and a different copyright message under.

So I waited until it says "PAULINE EDITION" before starting a game then played through to level 3. It de-synced with the dkong rom on the first barrel screen for a total of 300 points. My harebrained (and probably wrong) idea before was that the stream of random numbers used depends in part on the number of instructions parsed by the z80 chip's processor. So I theorise that the mere different text alters the stream of random numbers. Again I reckon it's just a different set of equally random numbers causing the inps to de-sync. I can't imagine any real difference in gameplay. Same % chances to steer barrels, same 25% to get 800 on a blue barrel etc

I have changed my original No vote to a Yes.

If Pauline scores are decided to be accepted on the main DKF leaderboard then I hereby promise to wear full Pauline outfit for the next Aussie Kong Off.

Rev John · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2021, 05:09:54 am »

Here is the story of how Clay Cowgill created the Pauline rom: http://www.multigame.com/dkp_arcade.html

There is some additional code for the rivets cutscene - to make sure Mario is facing the right way when he is rescued by Pauline. It seems this additional code is enough to cause the de-sync after the first rivets level. There are no changes mentioned in the above link that would make Pauline easier or harder then regular dkong, it's all about graphics changes.

I would suggest the de-syncs are caused by the changes leading to a different stream of 'random' numbers. It's like if Pauline shuffled the deck in a slightly different way, but your odds of getting a hand of 4 queens would still be the same.

xelnia · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2021, 10:48:36 pm »

So, I think the general consensus is to keep Pauline scores separate. I will put some thought in to making a Pauline HSL, but don't hold your breath. Tanya has withdrawn her submission. I know she wasn't trying to cause trouble and I appreciate her being a good sport about the whole thing.

Evan04 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2021, 09:22:34 am »

Quote from: xelnia on December 12, 2021, 10:48:36 pm

So, I think the general consensus is to keep Pauline scores separate. I will put some thought in to making a Pauline HSL, but don't hold your breath. Tanya has withdrawn her submission. I know she wasn't trying to cause trouble and I appreciate her being a good sport about the whole thing.

A Pauline HSL sounds like a good idea

danman123456 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2021, 07:51:51 pm »

Agree there are pauline cabs that are out there a HSL for it would not be a bad idea.

muscleandfitness · « **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2021, 11:43:37 pm »

Come of it Donkey kong is donkey kong Pauleen the charator is the same as Mairo. shes in the game .wake up everyone. just play the game.. John make a Ren and Stimp dk lit .

Barra · « **Reply #24 on:** December 15, 2021, 01:45:33 am »

Quote from: muscleandfitness on December 14, 2021, 11:43:37 pm

Come of it Donkey kong is donkey kong Pauleen the charator is the same as Mairo. shes in the game .wake up everyone. just play the game.. John make a Ren and Stimp dk lit .

haven't you got a protest to attend