Am I the best all around player of the 3 Donkey Kongs?

[giv]

 DKjr math.

[giv]

BTW I would put Allen ahead of George L  on this ...

Good one, Brian. You got me that time.

[Simpsons99]

I give marky Credit for not saying anything in here...  I have a pretty good idea he has been reading all of this.

He is allways readings posts and watching others playing.. Ben Falls was playing DKJR ...  There was Marky sitting and watching and chatting.

Next to never see George doing this other then a Richie's Arcade show.
maybe i'm wrong but who knows?

I try to do the samething go around and watch others playing and help them when i can!

[gstrain]

Math wise though I still am correct.  9 times out of 10 the math says I am the best at the 3 titles no matter how you crunch them.

I agree the thread is insignificant, however I'm still confused why you take a % after just looking at straight rank which takes into account any weight already since the quantity of submissions handles that aspect.

I went into all 3 scoring sites, found the top score on all 3 games you or Mark have achieved and I used that score in conjunction with total submissions across all sites.  Marky won by < 10.  What is the issue with that logic?

I agree Steve.  You are using BOTA scoring of the sum of ranks which is the nationally recognized way of determing overall performance across games.  So if you're going to engage in this pointless exercise, that's the way to do it. 

Even that probably gives DK3 way too much weight though.  Otherwise it ends up being a lot like claiming somebody is the best overall pitcher because he has the fewest balks even though his ERA is 6.89, or saying he's a better overall athlete than LeBron James because he can racewalk faster. 

[marky_d]

What in the...I skimmed the last few posts, and they looked kinda complicated. It's too late to say "leave me out of this" I guess, but should I bother reading them? I mean, I don't care if I'm on any lists at all so I don't plan on disputing any results of any formula. Why am I always at the center of controversy?? 

[TheSunshineFund]

What in the...I skimmed the last few posts, and they looked kinda complicated. It's too late to say "leave me out of this" I guess, but should I bother reading them? I mean, I don't care if I'm on any lists at all so I don't plan on disputing any results of any formula. Why am I always at the center of controversy?? 

Just wait until the list sub forum is created and the Top 5 Moon Shuttle players thread gets created....you think you're embroiled in controversy now?!?!?!?

[marky_d]

Just wait until the list sub forum is created and the Top 5 Moon Shuttle players thread gets created....you think you're embroiled in controversy now?!?!?!?

fk

[giv]

He is allways readings posts and watching others playing.. Ben Falls was playing DKJR ...  There was Marky sitting and watching and chatting.

Next to never see George doing this other then a Richie's Arcade show.
maybe i'm wrong but who knows?

I try to do the samething go around and watch others playing and help them when i can!

Yes Brian, you're a big help.

But why on Earth would I be watching DKjr? I'll watch Ben patrol the moon. Listen to some queensryche.

[Simpsons99]

I'm  not speaking of you .

He is allways readings posts and watching others playing.. Ben Falls was playing DKJR ...  There was Marky sitting and watching and chatting.

Next to never see George doing this other then a Richie's Arcade show.
maybe i'm wrong but who knows?

I try to do the samething go around and watch others playing and help them when i can!

Yes Brian, you're a big help.

But why on Earth would I be watching DKjr? I'll watch Ben patrol the moon. Listen to some queensryche.

[TheSunshineFund]

I agree Steve.  You are using BOTA scoring of the sum of ranks which is the nationally recognized way of determing overall performance across games.  So if you're going to engage in this pointless exercise, that's the way to do it. 

TY For saying that. 

Fun fact:  I actually developed the intracacies of the BOTA scoring system in the middle of doing a workout video.

[homerwannabee]

Good to know there are people who think other wise than I do.  So it seems like a good majority of people still don't think I am the best overall of the 3 Kongs.  I guess I'll keep on trucking along.

Yeah, I guess if you go straight by adding ranking without adding weights I lose that one.  You can argue it's not the most mathematically accurate, but fair enough.  At least there is one way I lose out math wise.


Hey, I think the adding rankings also works out in Brian's favor as well.   Sounds fair enough.  I admit defeat.  Ranking wise Mark Kiehl, and a few others like Steve Wagner, Mark Kiehl, Billy Mitchell, Steve Wiebe, Brian Allen.

Yep, I jumped the gun on this one.   Thank you for showing me the error of my ways!

[marinomitch13]

George, one of the aspects of how I ranked you and Mark (and, really, in the end, I think you guys are basically neck and neck) was how certain I was that Mark could play well on DK3 if he ever tried. If Mark could get 1m+ on 5-man settings in like under a month (and, I honestly think he could), then it actually significantly matters whether or not he even cares about playing the game. There may be a big element to this debate about actual vs latent scores/abilities and at what point do you not factor in latent abilities that could easily and quickly be tapped. If he could get 1m in a week, is there a good argument? How about if it took a month? A few months would start being too long IMO. See what I mean? This would all apply to my ranking of Dean as well. It's all pretty iffy with Mark even moreso, since I haven't seen him play DK3 specifically, but I know he is great at mastering diverse games in general. So I'm kinda going on a little inductive speculation, I'll admit.

As far as the weighting of the games goes, from what I know of the games, I think a more fair weighting of DK:DKjr:DK3 5-man would be closer to something like 6:5:4.

Edit: Thinking about it now, for the 'latent abilities' argument, what would matter most is actually attempts and not time. So that would probably work against Mark a little more.

[JNugent]

I should start a thread called, "Am I the worst all around player of the 3 Donkey Kongs?".  Well, because I am.  I suck at DK (high score of 200K+), I blow at DK Jr (can't make it off of L=2, no joke), and there's no hope for me when it comes to DK3.  Just wait until I finally get my stream going... then I can prove myself worthy of being the worst. 

[Simpsons99]

Nah I've been there.. Keep going!

I should start a thread called, "Am I the worst all around player of the 3 Donkey Kongs?".  Well, because I am.  I suck at DK (high score of 200K+), I blow at DK Jr (can't make it off of L=2, no joke), and there's no hope for me when it comes to DK3.  Just wait until I finally get my stream going... then I can prove myself worthy of being the worst.

[homerwannabee]

If Mark could get 1m+ on 5-man settings in like under a month (and, I honestly think he could),

Really, really?  Tell you what, before making assumptions.  Why don't you just for fun play the game on MAME Medium settings at least a few times.  Want don't you look up the former record holders just for fun.  Dwayne Richard, and Shawn Cram.  Why don't you see some of  their other scores?  They have scores that take more than a month to get a record in.
Oh, I could see him getting a million on Marathon settings in two weeks if he wanted to.  But that is different than 5 man settings.  Marathon gives you 37 men.  5 men of course gives you 5 men.

I can't believe that after all the time I have spent on getting my Donkey Kong 3 scores to where they are at, that I get a statement that someone who has almost never played the game can get 5 man on presumably Arcade settings in less than a month.

Maybe he can do it on Easy settings, but he definitely is not doing it on MAME Hard settings.   Marinomitch that statement is disrespectful to anyone who has taken this game somewhat seriously.