Donkey Kong Kill-Screener Timeline

[ChrisP]

I have never met Brian and know nothing about him except for what I saw in the movie and in the "Wiebe gameplay dissection" video, but a 2002 KS claim is extraordinary, for a number of reasons, and as we all know, in his case there's a lot of personal baggage and "politics" around the question of KSing and when he did it.

This is one of a few particular instances where extenuating circumstances are ringing alarm bells for me.

I'm gonna be blunt: I have serious doubts Brian KSed three years before the KoK FS footage was filmed (and, conveniently, a year before Steve Wiebe's first TG submission). Literally everything that Brian says and does in the movie would strongly suggest that he was not capable of KSing at the time, or having a game that went 30K shy of Billy's record. In the words of Brian himself, "nobody had gotten close to that."

[lakeman421]

When I talked to him, he said that when he mentioned  was the third person to get a ks, that he was referring to himself as the second one to do it.  Him and I did an interview last night for a Youtube channel that should be out not too long from now.  He goes into full details of what happened behind the scenes of KoK about things nobody has really heard about.  It'll be interesting to see how it comes out.

[cheetah33p]

Thats very interesting about and his KS in 2002.  But to me if he had that KS happen, why the score wasn't updated on the TG website back then that he had this score and just his score of the 569k or whatever he had on KoK then.  When you see Billy's score on KoK it does show that Brian's score was 569k on it, didn't it?  So it should've been updated for Brian's score?  That just seems interesting to me.  Sorry, Just thought I would mention this!  :-).  Unless its not just me thinking this.  :-)

[ChrisP]

When I talked to him, he said that when he mentioned  was the third person to get a ks, that he was referring to himself as the second one to do it.

I actually agree that this is what Brian meant by "third". Even Seth Gordon in the audio commentary says that's what Brian meant. Everybody of course just accuses Gordon of lying to cover up Tim, but I think Brian was indeed claiming the KS (whether truthfully or not) and either didn't know about or disregarded Tim.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the lack of acknowledgment of Tim's score by the community of the time was almost certainly a huge factor in why the filmmakers were unsure about Tim and chose not to mention him. Everybody just wants to point the finger at Hollywood because it's easier.

I'll be interested to hear what Brian has to say. I can't bring myself to just accept his word without some doubt, but then again, I would never totally rule it out either. Maybe he did do it in 2002.

[lakeman421]

This year was great for him.  He hung out and played in the tournament chatting with other players opposed to the last few years where he was kind of laying low.  He was very open and just wanted to get his side of the story out there.  I had asked him about his ks since there was just question marks on the forum so we could give him full credit for his score and date.  He said he would let me know after going through his notes to see the exact date.

[LMDAVE]

Yeah, I have many doubt on the 2002 KS claim also, especially with footage in KoK of him saying that many of us have been trying to beat Billy's score from 1980's and no one has come close. I would have figured "third KS" said in KOK was referring to Tim.

Many don't know this, but there was a version of KoK floating around on the internet in late 2007 that wasn't the final cut that you see on DVD, and when Brian says this is the 3rd KS, text appeared at the bottom of the screen saying "Actually this is the 2nd", but that was later removed. So the producers were either originally saying that text to cover up Tim's score (or Brian's claim), and maybe had a change of mind later and removed that statement.

I wish I still had that early cut, I somehow lost it.

And the main reason I don't believe Brian's claim is at the time that the film was being shot in 2005 wouldn't he already know about Tim? As obsessed as he was with the game he certainly would have known about Tim. So if Brian really had a Killscreen  he would have said that was the 4th not the third he was definitely referring to Tim as the third because you had to have known about it

[lakeman421]

Yeah, I have many doubt on the 2002 KS claim also, especially with footage in KoK of him saying that many of us have been trying to beat Billy's score from 1980's and no one has come close. I would have figured "third KS" said in KOK was referring to Tim.

He claims his score was 844,300 which was his kill screen game.  That was 30k shy Billy's 1982 score so he may have seen that as still far away considering they weren't really point pressing the game.  But who knows for sure.

[marinomitch13]

I wish I still had that early cut, I somehow lost it.

I believe I have this clip on an external hard-drive still. This was actually the only version of the KoK I've ever really seen. I'm sure others have this clip still as well.

[LMDAVE]

Yeah, I have many doubt on the 2002 KS claim also, especially with footage in KoK of him saying that many of us have been trying to beat Billy's score from 1980's and no one has come close. I would have figured "third KS" said in KOK was referring to Tim.

He claims his score was 844,300 which was his kill screen game.  That was 30k shy Billy's 1982 score so he may have seen that as still far away considering they weren't really point pressing the game.  But who knows for sure.

Yeah, I hate having to challenge anyone's word, especially since I never met them. I just basically go by the feel, but check my last paragraph above that I edited in, wouldn't Brian have said 4th if he had one in 2002? Meaning Brian had to know about Tim S beating Billy five years earlier making it (Billy, Tim, Brian, Steve).

[lakeman421]

I'm not sure when the interview we did is coming out, but once it does I'll post it on here.  Im pretty sure he states his PB and if it was a ks. 

[SanTe]

Many don't know this, but there was a version of KoK floating around on the internet in late 2007 that wasn't the final cut that you see on DVD, and when Brian says this is the 3rd KS, text appeared at the bottom of the screen saying "Actually this is the 2nd", but that was later removed. So the producers were either originally saying that text to cover up Tim's score (or Brian's claim), and maybe had a change of mind later and removed that statement.

I wish I still had that early cut, I somehow lost it.

Dave, PM me your mailing address.

[ChrisP]

55 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4mNx8DGKWk#ws

[ChrisP]

At over two months, the longest "kill screen dry spell" in over two years was just broken by new forum member Steve McDonald and the long-suffering Scott Cunningham!

Well done.

Who will be the coveted #69??

[Barra]

Well done to the both of you!

Who will be the coveted #69??

Maybe  ? (eternal newsflash)

[ChrisP]

From the shoutbox moments ago:
"jwade614 [19|Aug 06:38:37 PM]:   i got 885,100 with a killscreen tonight at 16-bit in columbus oh"

Kongratulations to #69 Jason Wade!