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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2018, 01:17:26 pm »
Joel's got all the best ones:

28) Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches “cheating”.
29) Any player who could get 1 Million nearly 8 years ago on MAME would be able to probably get more on arcade than a mere 1,062,800 points.
30) Cheating is like an addiction … once you “get away with it’ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.
31) Billy Mitchell’s score was no longer even in the Top 10 so TG shouldn't allow anybody to dispute it.

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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2018, 01:51:27 pm »
Joel's got all the best ones:

28) Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches “cheating”.
29) Any player who could get 1 Million nearly 8 years ago on MAME would be able to probably get more on arcade than a mere 1,062,800 points.
30) Cheating is like an addiction … once you “get away with it’ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.
31) Billy Mitchell’s score was no longer even in the Top 10 so TG shouldn't allow anybody to dispute it.


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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2018, 01:59:15 pm »
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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2018, 02:03:53 pm »
Joel's got all the best ones:


30) Cheating is like an addiction … once you “get away with it’ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.


Did he submit subsequent lower scores or something?   I'm surprised he didn't suggest splitting out the TG arcade track to scores done on MAME made to look like an arcade submission and arcade submissions.  This way Billy can be #1 again like Joel's Berzerk buddy is.
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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2018, 07:22:56 pm »
5) Todd Rogers witnessed it live, and that should be enough to convince anybody since video evidence wasn't even required.  So stop looking at it.
Billy doubled down on (5) in his latest interview, going hard with the thesis statement:

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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 09:00:27 pm »
32) All the young Earth Creationists say so.

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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 09:12:10 pm »
33) Billy Mitchell using MAME is FAKE NEWS!!
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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2018, 09:45:14 pm »
34) Because it's [current year]!!!



35) It's still real to me!!!



36) The platform no longer identifies as MAME and prefers to be called an original arcade cabinet.

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Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 11:42:13 pm »
37) The fact of the matter is ...

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38) Because it was recorded on a PAL video tape.  And those look like MAME.  And have no sound.

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39) It seems the "claim" that Billy or someone used a "cheat" in MAME to adjust the refresh rate to match the arcade is without merit. The data available at the time showed the arcade refresh rate to be 60 Hz, not 60.60Hz Such a claim has been made without any evidence whatsoever. It appears to be a mark of desperation, where things are purposely manipulated in order to prove what one already believes

40) You can't use the videos as evidence to remove his scores since the videos weren't part of the evidence used to accept his scores.

41) Wes used a tricked out aftermarket jump button.

42) If he played on a cocktail it explains why things looked flipped the wrong direction.

43) I wonder if 240v power would add effect to it?


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44) if you are trying to find what causes differences among the boards, there is many. Every original board has a LARGE amount of components. This has a drawback, there is alot of timing filtering circuits like RC (Resister-Capacitor) on many IC chips. The values vary has rarely are they cut exactly. The heart of the unit is the Crystal. Even the crystal's cut isn't exact. the CPU uses HALT commands and RDY(Ready) signals to continue the program counter. These variable do produce a difference in EVERY BOARD! We techs call it the signature. no are 100% exact. the newer stuff is way faster and better at reducing these errors. You will notice the older the tech, the more adjustments it has for manual fine tuning. Outputs are VERY inconsistent but also the method Billy was using to record his plays was not the way 99.9% of players were doing it at the time. So the abnormalities would be different then the ones you will see from the commonly used method of the day which was a camcorder aimed to the screen to a magnetic tape. Even trying to record a mame to a tape in the day required uncommon equipment as computers do not have composite outs. Even so the mame output would look amazingly sharp and slightly off cause off the aspect ratio. Hanging on to the tail from a score that isn't even on the score board is insidious
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45) Alpha particles collided with one of the logic chips every single board transition causing bits to flip that precisely remove the board transitions, making the game look like mame.
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47) The way the DK game is viewed is dependent on what tv program you taped over on the vhs cassette.

Taping over Happy Days, M*A*S*H, Different Strokes, Alf, WWF Wrestling, Cheers, The Wonder Years or The Golden Girls means your Arcade Game looks like Mame.

Taping over The Dukes of Hazzard, Full house, The A-Team, Hill Street Blues, CHiPS, The Cosby Show or Laverne and Shirley means your Arcade Game still looks like Arcade.

Unfortunately for Billy he recorded over an episode of Alf.
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