Any Questions About the Kong Off 3?

[JNugent]

I heard a rumor the other day that a couple of high-level players are considering skipping the Kong Off 3 due to the 'MAME decision'.  Does anyone know if there is any substance to this rumor?

[homerwannabee]

I heard a rumor the other day that a couple of high-level players are considering skipping the Kong Off 3 due to the 'MAME decision'.  Does anyone know if there is any substance to this rumor?

That was probably me.   It was a last ditch effort of mine the day after finding out about this to try to get Richie to allow MAME players in.   I made the statement while he was in conference with the audience about the new direction of Twin Galaxies.  I was using the worst case scenario of what could happen.  Meaning the MAME players rebel, and start their own tournament of sorts while the Kong Off III is happening.

Also to make in an update on what happened at the CA Extreme.   At the pizza party I basically did a Roy Schildt, and got in his face, and started yelling at him about not allowing MAME players in the top 12.  He kind of originally blew me off when I expressed my objections to him not having MAME players, and because of that I realized he wasn't taking this MAME thing seriously.

I decided though then, and there to get in his face just to show how serious this MAME situation was.  I came perilously close to starting a fight, and when I realized I had gotten out of hand, I apologized to him for acting like a spaz. 

[Xermon54]

Well, they will allow MAME players if they are in top 12. If there's a good MAME players in the top 12 and that he isn't participating because his score was done on MAME, then I'll talk to Jourdan/Richie, and if they still don't allow him to be on top 12, I'll still come to KO3, but I don't guarantee I'll be in a good mood!

You just cannot not allow MAME players to participate if they are in top 12. Period.

[LMDAVE]

Well, we don't need rumors made up to fight for MAME players. Everyone needs to sit back a second and look at the list and who this applies to.

There's only ONE person in the top 20 that this affects. ONE. And that is Phil Tudose. I personally think he should be given special consideration given his accomplishments. Everyone else is not MAME players, they are already DK arcade qualified, Dean, Jeff and Robbie.

So this whole "MAME players aren't allowed" as if it's half the field is just not true, it is only affecting one person at the moment.

[homerwannabee]

Well, we don't need rumors made up to fight for MAME players. Everyone needs to sit back a second and look at the list and who this applies to.

There's only ONE person in the top 20 that this affects. ONE. And that is Phil Tudose. I personally think he should be given special consideration given his accomplishments. Everyone else is not MAME players, they are already DK arcade qualified, Dean, Jeff and Robbie.

So this whole "MAME players aren't allowed" as if it's half the field is just not true, it is only affecting one person at the moment.

Well after looking at this thread it's now abundantly clear that no one will put up a fight for MAME players.  Which is not the worst thing since as you say only one person is affected, and that person is wanting to do it on an arcade machine anyways.

Before this announcement though, let's be honest, some people were rattling cages pretending a whole big storm was about to be unleashed.  It's obvious that was just much to do about nothing, and no real big storm will happen.

[giv]

So George, do you feel a bit silly now for defending the inclusion of mame players that haven't put up a big arcade score?

"You just cannot not allow MAME players to participate if they are in top 12. Period."

You know I love you, but I still disagree with you, Vincent.

So no one got inspired by my John Belushi Animal House inspirational pep talk last night? Oh well. When you get to the Kong Off 3, you'll see what I was talking about.

And yes, I feel that mame is like running on a treadmill. It isn't just about the rom and the score. There is no substitute for the real thing. Chris p likes to make it seem like aesthetics and emotional considerations are somehow lesser than logic and reason, but that's just foolish. Putting up a score on an arcade cabinet shows you have gone beyond, made an effort and that you really really want it.

You can play guitar all day in your bedroom, but when you get serious you have to go outside your comfort zone, find a band, book gigs, and carry your big heavy guitar amp and a set of drums. You can play mame all day in your rec room, but when you get serious you have to get out of your comfort zone, find an arcade and or buy a cabinet.

Let's keep this discussion going. now that you've got me started, I can go for days like this, like a marathon. I think if we're going to all be honest about it, the arcade argument will win the debate over mame every time. I still haven't seen anyone answer why it is that top mame players always put up an arcade score to show they are the real deal, but arcade players don't feel the need to play mame. Why do you think that is, if it isn't for the reasons I've been saying?

I think what happened is arcade only side of the argument felt bad and didn't want feelings to get hurt, so we were holding back. But it just got so silly that now the cold hard truth must be said.

[mikegmi2]

The marathon analogy is a pretty good one.

You must travel to and run at a certified marathon course to get an official time (under 3 hours 5 min for males 18-34), and qualify for the Boston Marathon.

But, running is running...26.2 miles is 26.2 miles, why not allow people to do it on a treadmill?  Are there any differences?

[homerwannabee]

Make no mistake about it.  MAME is the future, and not original Arcade cabs.   The MAME players did prove themselves last year.  The top 2 scores were from MAME players.  By going arcade only they took a step backwards.  I will always believe that.

In the future, be it 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 500 years from now MAME will finally win out.  The original boards are getting older, and eventually most of them will finally break down.  When that happens the only alternative is MAME or Arcade Cabs with MAME. 

As far as feeling silly.  I guess I feel silly thinking I represented a larger portion of this current community.  I guess who I was really representing was those in the future.  50 years from now when people ask why no one stood up against this practice of Arcade only, they can say well there was one person who did.  I see the future, and realize that MAME will eventually get it's day in the sun.  When people look back at this time period they will think of it as an archaic way of thinking.

[Fast Eddie]

I still haven't seen anyone answer why it is that top mame players always put up an arcade score to show they are the real deal, but arcade players don't feel the need to play mame. Why do you think that is, if it isn't for the reasons I've been saying?

which top mame players put up arcade scores to show they are the real deal? if anyone felt the need to its probably because lots of arcade people take a snooty view of mame and if a mame player wanted to be part of the kong off he had no choice...

also im sure lots of mame players would love to be arcade players too, but its not always practical, if someone has not managed to put up an arcade score it does not necessarily mean they have just not bothered to make the effort. some players lives and circumstances mean they can not be part of the arcade culture scene the way you can, but they still love to play games and compete...

 

[giv]

I have said this before, George: in the future we will be able to "print" 3d objects. The technology is in its infancy already. Circuit boards and power supplies, insides and outsides of the machines will all be replicated perfectly. This will be the substitute for the classics when they all break down. A perfectly replicated arcade cabinet, not the emulation that we have today.

Beyond that, holographic technology will become so advanced that you will play an arcade game on a holodeck that will look and even feel exactly like the real thing.

So there will be no need for a future hero that stood up for mame.

[giv]

I still haven't seen anyone answer why it is that top mame players always put up an arcade score to show they are the real deal, but arcade players don't feel the need to play mame. Why do you think that is, if it isn't for the reasons I've been saying?

which top mame players put up arcade scores to show they are the real deal? if anyone felt the need to its probably because lots of arcade people take a snooty view of mame and if a mame player wanted to be part of the kong off he had no choice...

also im sure lots of mame players would love to be arcade players too, but its not always practical, if someone has not managed to put up an arcade score it does not necessarily mean they have just not bothered to make the effort. some players lives and circumstances mean they can not be part of the arcade culture scene the way you can, but they still love to play games and compete...

 

You call it a snooty view because you're on the Internet right now. When you are face to face with people it is called dealing with your social group, and it is as important as anything else. Sure, social pressures help shape the field. Without the social pressures there wouldn't be a reason to compete at all. You have to take the good with the bad, they can't be separated, except in theory.

And you are making an awfully big assumption that my life and circumstances are what make it possible for me to be a part of the arcade culture scene the way I am. They actually were not at all conducive to participation in it, but I made it happen, by the force of will. If you want something bad enough, you do it.

[Fast Eddie]

aaanyway...

like George says, nobody is reeeally kicking up a fuss about it, except himself maybe!, just people sharing their opinion on the forum, so theres really no call to start inciting shit is there?

 

[TheSunshineFund]

After watching King of Kong I travelled to Funspot.  I needed to see it for myself, I didn't even know Richie's existed at the time nor did I know that people still played classic games.  I went to Funspot even before I downloaded MAME.  Dwayne told me he sold some stuff for travel fees to get to Funspot for the tourney this year.  When you want to compete badly enough......

[giv]

I say we bring back the Donkey Kong death match, like they used to do it in ancient Sumeria.

 

[Fast Eddie]

im down! but i want to use a rock instead of a stick...