DK Data Library of Memorable Games

[stella_blue]

I was thinking of creating a similar spreadsheet to analyze my own games. I was wondering how do you figure the pace column? Do you have a formula you can share to determine the pace value?

Sure thing, Shawn.  Currently, I only calculate pace at the end of each completed level.  Is that suitable for your purpose, or would you prefer a calculation that can be used after each individual stage?

[stella_blue]

Hey Shawn,

Let's start with the pace calculation at the end of a completed level, since it's the simplest model.  If you require a more flexible formula, one that can be used at any point in the game, I'll build one.

There are only 3 components to the overall pace value:

1.  Current Score (actual)
2.  Future Levels (estimated)
3.  Future Deaths (estimated)

We'll use Dean's recent WR game as our example (at the end of Level 14):

1.  Current Score = 759,300

The current score includes the 5,800 points gained from the 2 deaths on L8-2 (2,900) and L8-4 (2,900).

2.  Future Levels = 427,840

This value is calculated by taking the average score per level (points from deaths are not included) and multiplying by the number of remaining levels.

Level 05:		63,800
Level 06:		64,900
Level 07:		63,500
Level 08:		60,000
Level 09:		63,900
Level 10:		54,400
Level 11:		62,400
Level 12:		59,500
Level 13:		57,500
Level 14:		61,300

Total Points Excluding Deaths (L05 to L14):		611,200
Number of Levels Completed (L05 to L14):		10
Number of Levels Remaining (L15 to L21):		7

So, estimated score on future levels = 7 x ( 611,200 / 10 ) = 427,840

3.  Future Deaths = 5,700

I use a standard value of 5,000 for the first 3 deaths, and 700 for the killscreen.  There are other approaches.  Mitch uses 5,000 until the first death has occurred.  He then uses the points from death #1 as an estimate for the second and third deaths.  After the second death, the average points from deaths #1 and #2 are used to estimate the 3rd death.  I prefer to stick with the standard value, since I'm not convinced that previous deaths are a reliable predictor for future ones.  You should use whatever value and/or method works best for you.

In our example, 2 deaths have already occurred.  We'll use 5,000 for the 3rd death, and 700 for the 4th (on Level 22-1).

So, estimated points from future deaths = 5,000 + 700 = 5,700

Overall Pace (without rounding) = 759,300 + 427,840 + 5,700 = 1,192,840

As a final step, I divide the result by 100, round to 0 decimal places, then multiply by 100 (since a valid DK score must be an even multiple of 100 points).

Overall Pace (rounded to nearest 100) = 1,192,800

The rounding option is a matter of personal preference.  It's another choice that's entirely up to you.

[stella_blue]

Player		Score		Final Stage		Date Achieved		Platform
Dean Saglio		1,206,800		Level 22-1		10/04/2013		MAME

[danman123456]

Scott is already on it! Awesome!

[stella_blue]

I haven't used it yet, but I did find this online pace program:

http://www.alexwgold.com/dk/

Yes, that's the web application that Mitch and his friend Alex have been developing.

[Mary McManus]

I believe I have the oldest HS DK Game still on vhs...availible for public view.....this is the same  one that Seth Gordan said was constantly disputed and impossible to verify.

 The score is 879,200 with a kill screen played on 8/16/2000 confimed and verified with a witness at the end who can clearly be heard off camera.

However, even though I can prove that the producers of KOK intentionaly lied and made a fake DOC under false pretenses  by supplying not only video evidence but also a witness matters not. These people got the connections, money and what they say goes.

I even went so far as to call a division of WB studio who handles the KOK  and asked them why they  made a documentary about my subject material without my authorization and when can I expect my check like the other people received.

At this point thier friendly demeanor turned defensive and this is the response I got (I'm paraphrasing a little)" our studio fully stands by our decision and KOK is a legitimate DOC "

I replied "ya think so?

 Then I gave them the link to The King of Con, the counter DOC by Dwayne Richards that is based on facts unlike the rubbish DOC Seth Gordon put together so his pal Steve and a few select insiders like Billy Walter and Steve Saunders could turn a buck.


I keep offering to show old VHS this to any event that is held but people like the denial better
I really want Steve Wiebie and Seth Gordon to watch it.

[marinomitch13]

Tim, bring it to the Kong Off 3 and we can all watch it! Seriously, I'd be interested in watching that piece of history!

[hchien]

Tim are you coming to Kong Off 3?  I think there are a lot of people who would be interested in meeting you.

[Xermon54]

I think you should do like Roy Schildt last year and come to the Kong Off 3. Play in the Wild Card division and make a revenge on Billy and beat him to a pulp, then you will walk away in satisfaction  .

[Mary McManus]

Tim, bring it to the Kong Off 3 and we can all watch it! Seriously, I'd be interested in watching that piece of history!

I cant afford to travel to these things but I will see about streaming it..not that it would matter.

As far as the actual machine it was set on 8/16/2000, Greg Sakundiak of Canada now owns that piece of gaming history.

 So these arcade collecting  chumps that want to spend big bucks buying Steve original machine "thinking"  it was the game that "first" broke Billys 1982 record are really  just wasting thier money as far as a historical context and documentation goes.

[stella_blue]

Tim, bring it to the Kong Off 3 and we can all watch it! Seriously, I'd be interested in watching that piece of history!

I cant afford to travel to these things but I will see about streaming it..not that it would matter.

It matters to me.

Hey Tim, if you stream that game (and if the video quality is good enough that I can read the score after each stage), would you object to the summary and stats being posted here?  I think it would be a great addition to this thread.

I always request permission, as a courtesy to each player, so it's your call.

[Mary McManus]

Tim, bring it to the Kong Off 3 and we can all watch it! Seriously, I'd be interested in watching that piece of history!

I cant afford to travel to these things but I will see about streaming it..not that it would matter.

It matters to me.

Hey Tim, if you stream that game (and if the video quality is good enough that I can read the score after each stage), would you object to the summary and stats being posted here?  I think it would be a great addition to this thread.

I always request permission, as a courtesy to each player, so it's your call.

But wait a minute..............Seth Gordan, famed researcher/ producer of such documentaries as   KOK said there was "no way" to verify this very  game I'm talking about and besides..it was constantly disputed remember?             Do you think actually, for one minute that the  good hearted, Honest hollywood movie scammers...........er.....I mean "producers" of KOK  would actually lie to you.? Do you really think the good people at TG would allow an official score on thier "Official" scoreboard" to be  covered up so others could profit?

 Do you think Steve Wiebe would lie to you? Why even the Wikipedia artical, Wikipedia, the all knowing oracal of things true states this very game I played was merely just a "claim" How dare you not believe the media propaganda

Really ,I'm just being sarcastic here......

you could probably guess that.........  I mean no disrespect to you Stella_blue .....and thanks for asking

I'll see what I can do about broadcasting that 8/16/2000 game but here's what I remember:

The begining of the tape (1st 30 seconds) are kind of scratchy but still  clear (tape probably stretched no doubt from constant re-winding as I used the same tape on many,many tries.)

I basically just ran boards....I did not use the bottom hammer on the barrel boards.

My spring boards were not as efficent time wise as they are now.

I was on L=21-6 with one man left and knew the kill screen was the next board L=22. I knew if I cleared L=21-6 I would come just shy of beating Billys 1982 score. So I intentionally died on L=21-6 and used the extra man I had left to get those extra points I nedded and I did. Point pressing in its infancy I guess.

Let me see about broadcasting it.   It will just expose Seth Gordan and Ed Cuntingham once and for all as liars that knowingly and with malice of forethought made a fraudulant DOC based on an accomplishment I did 3 years before Steve Wiebe.

I will also just bolster more interest in Dwayne Richards DOC and give Dwayne's DOC that much more credibility that it deserves.

[stella_blue]

Really ,I'm just being sarcastic here......

you could probably guess that.........  I mean no disrespect to you Stella_blue .....and thanks for asking

No misunderstanding here.  Since its last tune-up, my sarcasm detector has been working flawlessly.   

So, assuming you broadcast that 08/16/2000 game, might I compile the game summary with your blessing?  It's obviously not representative of your current skill level, but it was (and still is) a memorable game that merits inclusion here.  Also, it will allow me (and this is the selfish part) to produce a historical DK document that isn't available anywhere else.

[f_symbols]

Tim, bring it to the Kong Off 3 and we can all watch it! Seriously, I'd be interested in watching that piece of history!

I cant afford to travel to these things but I will see about streaming it..not that it would matter.

It matters to me.

Hey Tim, if you stream that game (and if the video quality is good enough that I can read the score after each stage), would you object to the summary and stats being posted here?  I think it would be a great addition to this thread.

I always request permission, as a courtesy to each player, so it's your call.

But wait a minute..............Seth Gordan, famed researcher/ producer of such documentaries as   KOK said there was "no way" to verify this very  game I'm talking about and besides..it was constantly disputed remember?             Do you think actually, for one minute that the  good hearted, Honest hollywood movie scammers...........er.....I mean "producers" of KOK  would actually lie to you.? Do you really think the good people at TG would allow an official score on thier "Official" scoreboard" to be  covered up so others could profit?

 Do you think Steve Wiebe would lie to you? Why even the Wikipedia artical, Wikipedia, the all knowing oracal of things true states this very game I played was merely just a "claim" How dare you not believe the media propaganda

Really ,I'm just being sarcastic here......

you could probably guess that.........  I mean no disrespect to you Stella_blue .....and thanks for asking

I'll see what I can do about broadcasting that 8/16/2000 game but here's what I remember:

The begining of the tape (1st 30 seconds) are kind of scratchy but still  clear (tape probably stretched no doubt from constant re-winding as I used the same tape on many,many tries.)

I basically just ran boards....I did not use the bottom hammer on the barrel boards.

My spring boards were not as efficent time wise as they are now.

I was on L=21-6 with one man left and knew the kill screen was the next board L=22. I knew if I cleared L=21-6 I would come just shy of beating Billys 1982 score. So I intentionally died on L=21-6 and used the extra man I had left to get those extra points I nedded and I did. Point pressing in its infancy I guess.

Let me see about broadcasting it.   It will just expose Seth Gordan and Ed Cuntingham once and for all as liars that knowingly and with malice of forethought made a fraudulant DOC based on an accomplishment I did 3 years before Steve Wiebe.

I will also just bolster more interest in Dwayne Richards DOC and give Dwayne's DOC that much more credibility that it deserves.

Tim,

First of all, I would love to watch this.  Second of all, it's pretty cool that you sac'd a man on 21-6.  A few of us had discussed actually taking a "suicidal top hammer" on 21-6, if it meant increasing points (in leu of a trip to 22-1); I know this isn't quite the same tactic, but it's really freaking cool to see that you were using something like this way back in 2000, without any help from the "communal knowledge base".   I also lost a 3rd man on 21-6, but it wasn't a sac. 

It's pretty cool to learn that the WR score that took down billy had a sac'd man on level 21.

[JNugent]

I've been wanting to see this game!  Please make an announcement on the forums when you're ready to broadcast, Tim!  I so want to see the game that took Billy Mitchell's score down!