Donkey Kong High Score List General Discussion

[corey.chambers]

Suggested changes made.

[marinomitch13]

This looks awesome, Corey. Very official looking. Thanks a TON for all your work on this. I run the 'DK terms thread' and I know it isn't easy putting a ton of stuff together -and I think my thread is actually easier to deal with than this one!

[ChrisP]

Bold indicate a killscreen game (arriving at L = 22).

 

[corey.chambers]

Thanks Mitch. Yep, I wanted to avoid the whole "screen-killed, or just kill screen" issue. If it is L = 22, then it will be considered a killscreen having been reached.

[Fast Eddie]

nice work on the list corey, heres my wcr2 game: http://www.twitch.tv/fast_eddie1/c/2036565

 

[corey.chambers]

Thanks, Jon. The link has been added.

[Svavar]

My score was done on a multi-PCB so you'd better remove it. Anyways, i don't really see what the problem is if the settings are correct. I play on MAME at home to practice before I go to my local arcade where I try to beat my score. I usually don't go for high scores at home but the gameplay feels exactly the same on MAME and the machine that I usually play on. Nice work on the list though!

[corey.chambers]

Someone had suggested at one time that we shouldn't accept scores from the 3 in 1, or multi-PCB machines. I accepted the suggestion but like Svavar I would like to understand a little more behind the suggestion. Eagerly awaiting the answer...

[ChrisP]

I don't know who suggested that, but I disagree. And I think Svavar's score should be on the list.

The multiboards use the MAME drivers. They're infamous for that, in fact - for just being MAME with a custom GUI that runs in a cabinet. If MAME is accepted, they should be accepted, since they're essentially MAME!

Some may not agree, but I am of the opinion that for non-original but widely-known hardware, whether that's a 60-in-1 or a Braze kit like D2K, the burden of proof should be on he who doubts the hardware to prove that it has an effect on the game. Otherwise it's just another needless, competition-straining obstacle like all of the superfluous TG recording rules for DK that did nobody any good.

The best DK players in the world have been playing on these boards/kits for years and nobody has ever reported anything different or unusual (other than sound effects, which are different for straightforward, well-understood reasons).

[corey.chambers]

Thanks, Chris. I don't remember who made the suggestion either. Maybe they will chime into the conversation and explain the suggestion.

[LMDAVE]

3 in 1 games have the potential to have continues to be set on, I would say if the whole game was documented, by say Twitch, that shows continues were not used, then I don't see any real reason not to allow it.

[ChrisP]

Very good point about the 3 in 1s.

Needless to say, that changes things significantly!

Those merit special scrutiny, absolutely.

[corey.chambers]

Thanks, guys. I will update the criteria to reflect this.

[marinomitch13]

Yes, I know for a fact that the 3 in 1s can be set to allow continues (and they usually are), however, I have never seen one that both allows continues and keeps your score. I have played on 4 different ones so far. It may just be a coincidence, so I think we need to look into the issue and see if they can actually even be set to play with continues and also keeping the score. I'm sure there is a manual for them online somewhere.

If it is found that they only allow continues simultaneous with the scores being set back to zero, then the only issue is really being able to see the total score at the KS. There would maybe still be a fuzzy area for the very low KS scores (they could have died out at 100k and then continued and gotten 800k total, but played at a 900k pace), but cases like this almost seem ridiculous, as someone with actual KS potential would have to be almost purposely playing bad, and then playing good and trying to get a lower KS score than they can actually probably get. I guess the same holds true for KS scores up to 1.1m (technically speaking, though it gets less and less likely and more and more ridiculous!) Silly tactics, but I guess it would still be a concern that would merit prohibiting them from this list.

I guess I just proved that, either way, they shouldn't be allowed... even though I didn't start out meaning to do so! 
QED

Edit: With the exception of what Dave said -if the whole game is documented- or the settings are documented immediately following the KS to show that continues were not allowed at all.

[ChrisP]

I really wish the 3-in-1 would be MAMEd already so that we could check all this out!

MAME emulates ten billion Japanese Pachinko machines that nobody has ever played, but not this board?