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Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« on: February 06, 2018, 06:19:26 pm »
Hello DKF. This is my first post here. For many years now I've been trying to find a way to get my Donkey Kong machine in working order. And when I say "DK machine" take it with a grain of salt.

Basically what I have are some Donkey Kong arcade parts and I would like to try and see if I can restore this back to a fully functioning cabinet. I don't know much about arcade hardware so I am reaching out to this Donkey Kong community to see if anyone here can help me with this quest. FYI I'm in the state of Texas.

If I can get a working DK machine I will work on putting up a serious score in the Donkey Kong arcade track. I just recently submitted a MAME DK level 1-1 score of 10700 to Twin Galaxies.

Here is the link:

http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/181697-M-A-M-E-Donkey-Kong-US-Set-1-Points-Level-1-1-10-700-Eric-Schafer

Here is the video of me showing off the parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f30qhye0_v4

Here is the video of the level 1-1 score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OKxN7Aua7Y
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 08:33:19 pm »
Welcome to the forum!  Maybe I'm doing something wrong but the video if your parts doesn't seem to be working for me. 
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 09:19:28 pm »
Welcome to the forum!  Maybe I'm doing something wrong but the video if your parts doesn't seem to be working for me.

I just changed the tag to "public" so try it again.
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 12:43:04 am »
Okay its fixed for sure now.
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 09:58:02 pm »
Control panel
Looks all original.  Hard to tell the buttons are for sure due to video quality but they look and sound right from what I could tell. The plungers should be relatively tall, compared to every other button ever in an arcade cabinet.  The stick definitely looks too stiff.  Sticking down might be the spacer missing between that microswitch and the main body of the joystick.  That was the case on my red dk when I got it. I ordered a replacement from mikes arcade and it works great.   And of course I found the original a week later, under the power supply/iso mounting board.  But it had corrosion starting to build on it so better it was replaced anyway.  But the stick being stiff could also be someone replacing the stock spring with some junk off the shelf from home depot.  Mike's arcade has good replacement springs also.  But, first things first, just tear down the joystick, clean the crap out of all the various components, and throw a drop of 3-in-1 oil in the pivot ball area when reassembling.  Mike's arcade also has a schematic of the joystick and tons of schematics, pinout, etc, in addition to tons of great replacement parts.   Have i mentioned mikes arcade is awesome?

If after a good cleaning and lubing,  it is still stiff, then diagnise what the siurce of the problem is, but its likely time to get a replacement spring. 

Next question from your video - mikes arcade also has a Nintendo to jamma adapter.  It plugs onto that edge connector you were noting.  The "rainbow" cable that is connected from the upper left hand side of the video board to the upper right hand side of the cpu board is needed if using an adapter to run it in a jamma cabinet.  That routes power between the boards.  So good news that you have that cable.  HOWEVER, donkey is displayed rotated.  Monitors in dk cabs are actually rotated.  So if you try to hook up that board with the nin2jamma adapter, in your sf2 cab, it will be sideways....unplayable.  if the sf2 cab is the only cab you own, then youre out of luck with that option.  If you own a vertical monitor cab like sum up then it will work and be displayed correctly.

Also, just for extra information, that rainbow cable will not be needed in an original dk.  Do cabs all wire directly to the board, 7 total connectors I believe, plug directly in to some of those headers on the 2 boards. 

Now, and if I can make a recommendation for a general strategy.  hold onto the parts, but focus on getting a working complete cab.   There's a discussion around here somewhere, and i put together a bullet list of things to look for when buying a dk.   I meant to revisit it and make it more thorough but its already pretty exhaustive.  I suggest getting a complete working cab and if anything on the cab isn't to your like as far as the parts you already own, then swap them out and sell of the spares...or hold onto them and be a hoarder like some of us.  I think that cp is going to be your prized piece, and as KongTower mentioned, thats often the part that is not original or missing parts.  And of course a spare dk 2 board stack is never a bad thing to have.  At the same time, working 2 board sets sell for $225-$250 All day long, more to the right person.  A good complete working cab can be had for $500-$600 if your patient and know what to look for.   Yes, they go for more on average, but good deals also come up often enough. I mean shoot, you found those prized possessions at a garage sale... 

Well, I hope I gave good info.  Good luck in your search, would love to get updates.  :)
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 11:54:38 pm »
Thanks to everyone for your input. I guess I might just have to be on the lookout for a fully working cab and hope one pops up. The funny thing is that many years ago back in the 90's I remember seeing a fully working DK machine for $100 at a gym on time. But I was just a kid and didn't have any money nor the interest at the time.

Making my DK joystick panel work with MAME sounds good for arcade practice, but if I were to try and get MAME scores I would actually prefer the keyboard buttons as it seems as if I have more precise control over my character in the game.

Too bad that my SF2 arcade setup wouldn't work for DK. Seriously they should have just made all of the arcade monitors square. lol

The only other thing that seems practical at this point would be to get a supergun. If I get a Nintendo to Jamma adapter and then hook up the Donkey Kong PCB to the supergun and maybe I could also restore the control panel to be compatible with it then I might have a working solution to set scores on. What are you guys thoughts on this.

Again thanks for all your feedback on this because I don't have a lot knowledge on arcade hardware.

Also here are some close up pictures.

https://imgur.com/EhUMu7o

https://imgur.com/BuTNLvH

https://imgur.com/D9LCj7d

https://imgur.com/vCUGqFv



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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 05:55:49 am »
X-Arcade sells a microswitch to USB adapter if you want to use a real DK joystick to play MAME.  I have that setup.

All of the parts can be found online.  You just need to be patient and monitor Craigslist, Ebay, and KLOV.  I found a really beat up DK cab for very cheap locally.  Don't let a bad looking CRT or broken joystick scare you away.  The worse the shape, the better.  That way you can get a good deal.  Most monitors look great after just a cap kit.  Burn-in is the only thing you can't fix.  Well technically you can swap the tube to fix burn-in, but finding compatible tubes is tough.  I've been looking.
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 10:28:16 am »
The only other thing that seems practical at this point would be to get a supergun. If I get a Nintendo to Jamma adapter and then hook up the Donkey Kong PCB to the supergun and maybe I could also restore the control panel to be compatible with it then I might have a working solution to set scores on. What are you guys thoughts on this.
The monitor you are playing on would still need to be put on its side in order to view the game correctly.  Maybe not an issue, you might have a monitor that this is easily physically accomplished with, just thought I would repeat the warning before you spend the money. :)
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 11:09:59 am »
Re: the storage space

Buying a cabinet is a lot easier than selling one.  Cabinets without much replay value are better played at an arcade.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $1K for a prestine DK, or $300 for one needing a lot of work.  It also depends on where you live.  Seems like people in Southern CA have high prices.
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 11:28:45 am »
The funny thing is that many years ago back in the 90's I remember seeing a fully working DK machine for $100 at a gym on time. But I was just a kid and didn't have any money nor the interest at the time.

I saw an R-Type for $500 just last year, but I passed on it because the monitor was faded looking.  Now that I know how to repair monitors I'm kicking myself for not getting it.  That's one of my holy grail games that I want to find one day.
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Re: Help to restore a DK cab & [level 1-1] 10700 points
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2018, 01:47:20 pm »
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I just purchased the above item, and I'll go through the process alongside you to set up a real donkey kong control panel with WolfMame.  Let me know if you're interested to do this.

Wow, are you saying that you bought this control panel just because of my original post?

While I do know how to solder wires and I'm a little tech savvy, I would feel more comfortable just to send my panel out to someone who can give it a tune up or make it compatible with MAME.

I recently tried to do a Game Boy Advanced light mod and I did very well with it, but at a certain stage I got glue on the new screen and it ruined the whole project. I ended up throwing away my GBA into the trash never to look at it again.

So I would rather trust a qualified expert with doing anything to my DK panel.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 05:46:08 am »
I have one of the Mikes Arcade repro joysticks.  I've played a few hundred games on it, but it still feels very stiff compared to my originals.  It's probably just because it's new.

Regarding the Nintendo button, I've noticed that you can tune it to click as soon as you start pressing or when the button is closer to fully pressed.  I wonder where the top players prefer theirs to activate.  Mine is about halfway.  When I had it closer to the top, sometimes it wouldn't reset.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 10:14:59 am »
Looks like a good CP to start with and will shine up nice with the missing parts.  Those buttons and all the microswitches look original, though, and the buttons especially appear to be in good shape.  I would suggest not replacing those.  As good as Mike's replacement parts are (and they are good), they just aren't a true subsitution for original.  No discredit to Mike whatsoever, he does a great service for this hobby, and provides great products.  But original is original, and repro is repro.  Just my $.02.  :)

Possibly the order for buttons and switches is for other purposes, tho....  :)
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