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xelnia:
Thread for VS. Super Mario Bros. - 5 Lives strategy and tips.

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ROMset: suprmrio [WolfMAME 175 only]
Special Rules: Run ends on 5th death or game completion
Banned tactics:
1) No shell abuse: You can kick a single shell away a maximum of 2 times.
2) No finishing a stage with 000 on the clock: The game timer loops it to 999 and is not permitted.
3) No wrong warps/obvious glitches: Manipulating pipe/vine locations, floating shells, walljumps, wallclips, etc.
Lives: 3
Bonus Life: 100 Coins
Timer: Slow

xelnia:
Since the game list hasn't been officially released and the tourney hasn't started, we have some time to hash out the rules and settings for this game. I sent andrewg a PM, but I want to talk about it here too.

1) The current parent romset is not available in 106. The 106 romset is a clone in newer MAME. What are the differences? I saw someone say that the 106 version is bugged or broken? Is that true? VS. SMB is not on RU.

So, the options are to only allow WolfMAME 175 using the current suprmrio set, or use the 106 suprmrio set and the 175 suprmrioa set. This assumes there are no changes when 175 is released next week.

2) Banned tactics? Limited lives? Should we have any? The TG rules for TGTS are pretty extensive:


--- Quote ---Special Rules: Your scoring attempts ends when either you die for a 5th time, or you manage to Defeat Bowser and Save the Princess at the end of 8-4, thus beating the game. The Turtle Stair Hop trick is banned and use of it will result in IMMEDIATE disqualification of your score, accidental or not. [This also would include the use of a single enemy to get increasingly larger amounts of points by repeatedly jumping on it] Waiting to grab the Golden Axe, at the end of every Bowser level until the LAST POSSIBLE SECOND, causing the timer to revert to 999 is BANNED and use of it will result in IMMEDIATE disqualification! Use of the Wall-Jump tactic is NOT allowed! You MUST access the Underwater area of 8-4 by using the pipe across the lava pit. Doubling back and using the pipe before the pit to do so will equal Disqualification. Use of ANY Pipe to go somewhere different then the programmers intended is BANNED! Warping IS permitted!
--- End quote ---

andrewg:
I sent a fairly thorough ruleset for this to xelnia.

When it comes down to it, there are too many glitches in super mario bros, and the effort TG made to try and list them all out is...well, it doesn't do any good. There are far more things that would need to be covered to say everything that "should" be banned with Vs Super Mario Bros.

It's not really a great score game, but I think TG's rules are pretty good actually; It's just phrased a bit over the top.

or

We could use the category I created if you would like. It's somewhat interesting, but it becomes a shell grind fest. It's interesting in concept, but eh...
http://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=132430&ref=fbshare

andrewg:
I'd opt for TG rules over my concept category.

krehztim:
I just need to know what's decided about the mame version for this game, so I can start re-practicing.  I think Phil and I had a chat about timer speed, but I can't remember if it was confirmed 106 has a faster timer. 

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