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Donkey Kong Online Open: Kong Off 3 Wild Card Qualifier #1
!!!! TWITCH IS BACK UP. TOURNAMENT WILL BE STARTING AT 9:00AM PST (12:00PM EST) TODAY (06/22/2013) !!!
This is the third installment of the Donkey Kong Wildcard Tournament Rematch, brought to you by Eric Tessler and John Salter.
Start Time: June 22, 2013 9:00AM Pacific Time
End Time: June 23, 2013 8:59:59 PM Pacific time (36 hours)
Entry Fee: FREE!
Prizes
- $250 for the 1st place submitted validated score
- $100 for the 2nd place submitted validated score
- $50 for the 3rd place submitted validated score
Bounties - NEW
$50.00 - First 1 Million Point submission: Dan Desjardins
$50.00 - Highest score at the end of level 1-1: Eric Tessler
$50.00 - Best start on your first jump man in terms of # of boards completed: Eric Tessler
$25.00 - Mystery bounty: Eric Tessler
More will be announced shortly
The current rankings for the contest will be posted on the Donkey Kong Forum (http://www.donkeykongforum.net/ (http://www.donkeykongforum.net/)). The rankings will be updated periodically throughout the duration of the contest.
IMPORTANT: The rules for the contest are laid out below. Please read through all of the rules carefully. Due to the anticipated large number of score submissions, John and Eric have the right to immediately reject any score submission if these rules are not followed as outlined below. ***NO EXCEPTIONS***
Registration
- NEW: Any contestant may now register for this contest, it is open to any person on this planet that plays Donkey Kong !!!
- All contestants will be required to register in order to compete in this Donkey Kong competition. In order to register, simply email the following information to dkwildcardrematch@gmail.com :
* full name
* twitch stream URL
* Please specify “WildCard Rematch Entry†in the subject line of the email
- All registrations must be received prior to the start time of the competition.
Stream Setup
- All contestants are required to stream their games on twitch.tv or Justin.tv. (NO EXEPTIONS FOR ANY REASON).
- Contestants are solely responsible for setting up their stream. Eric Tessler and John Salter will not be involved in any contestant’s stream setup for any reason.
- Contestants may enlist the help of anyone except Eric Tessler and John Salter to setup their stream.
- Contestant’s stream quality must be sharp enough to read the level and score at a glance (as well as the rest of the game play). If there is ANY question of score and level due to bad quality stream, that submission will be rejected, instantly, with no exceptions. We suggest that you test your streams and check them from time to time to make sure they are working correctly.
- Streams which are partial, glitchy, edited or manipulated in any way will be rejected.
- Streams must be available for review on the contestants registered twitch.tv channel. If for ANY reason the stream is not available for review on the contestant’s registered twitch.tv channel, the submission will be rejected. NO EXCEPTIONS.
Game Submissions
- Contestant is solely responsible for submitting their own scores.
- DK arcade or DK MAME (US set 1) can both be used for score submissions (must use TG settings of 3 lives and a bonus life at 7000 points).
- Score submissions can be for any non-zero score.
- At the start of EACH new stream, contestant must state their full name (you no longer have to state your name before every single game).
- The entire game must be played only by the registered contestant who is identified at the beginning of the game.
- Scores can only be submitted via email to dkwildcardrematch@gmail.com.
- Score submissions must contain “Score Submission†in the subject line. The body of the email MUST contain:
* First and last name
* Bounty being claimed (and please include calculations as needed by the bounty, such as “I completed 42 boards on my first jump manâ€)
* Final game score
* What time the stream was recorded
* URL to actual stream recording on twitch.tv
- Bounties
* Contestant is solely responsible for specifying which bounty they want to claim when they submit a score.
* A contestant can only be paid for a maximum of 1 bounty for any one contest.
* If a submitted game qualifies for more than 1 bounty, the contestant is solely responsible for specifying which bounty they are claiming and they can only claim a single bounty (and the refs will consider only the specified bounty for the score submission). For example, if I have a game where I am the first to a million points and a kill screen, I claim the million point bounty and the kill screen bounty remains open for other contestants to claim.
* If a contestant tries to claim a bounty however is not awarded that bounty for some reason (i.e., they were incorrect about the bounty or another contestant's score submission invalidates their bounty claim), the contestant may try to claim another bounty on one of their next score submissions.
* Bounties are considered in the order in which the score submissions are received.
* Please remember that the bounty system was introduced for fun and to spread around some extra money to the contestants. Any disputes over the bounties will be settled accordingly by Eric/John.
- If any player is at Eric's or John’s house on the day of the contest, they may use our DK arcade machine for the tournament and we will act as a referee (as such, they do not need to submit their score via email, but the game will still be broadcasted on twitch.tv for everyone to see).
- Eric and John will be validating all scores and reserve the right to reject any score for any reason.
- Games started before the official contest start time (no matter how close to the official contest start time) will not be eligible.
- Games started after the official contest end time (no matter how close to the official contest end time) will not be eligible.
- Last game can be started any time before the official contest end time (no matter how close to the official contest end time).
- Scores can be submitted up until 4 hours past the official contest end time.
Prize Payouts
- Prize money will be issued in the exact amount stated, ONLY to the registered contestant.
- Prize money will be sent via PayPal or sent via U.S. post in the form of a registered money order, or check ONLY to the registered contestant.
- If the contestant rejects the prize acceptance guidelines, listed above, or chooses not to accept the prize, that money will be added to the next contest purse.
- NEW: Once a contestant wins prize money in a tournament (bounties are not included), they cannot win any more prize money for the following 2 tournaments (after the next 2 tournaments, that player will once again be allowed to win some prize money). This will allow different people to have a chance at winning some prize money.
Clarifications
- Kill screen: In order to qualify for a kill screen on 22-1, we must be able to see the jump man death that is caused by the kill screen itself (dying any other way will not count).
Closing Remarks
- Please remember, at the end of the day, this is for fun and to keep the community together. Anyone who does not follow the rules, cheats, etc, will be removed from the contest, and possibly banded from all future contests.
- These guidelines can be changed at any time because Eric and John are in charge and are on a total power trip.
- Get practicing and good luck to all contestants
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Don't fk it up this time Ethan. :P I think my goal is 539,100...the Staal Line.
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Thanks Eric and John! :)
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Yes! I can't wait! My DK machine is broken!
(but hopefully I will get it fixed in time to play 8))
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Well, you guys can count me out. "Contestant’s stream quality must be sharp enough to read the level and score at a glance". The score can be seen but people have told me that the level is hard to see, if at all because of the dark blue against the black, between my laptop monitor and webcam. I will be, as I am now, going to keep trying for the million anyways. So when you guys see the killscreen kick in, then you will know for sure that it is level 22, lol. :)
Edit: Perhaps I will have my cab up and working by then. Maybe the level can be seen better on the cab. We shall see!
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Justin.tv won't be accepted? I'm in the process of trying to get my twitch working but it's been a pita. I will try and have my twitch up and running befor the contest though.
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justin.tv is OK as well (my understanding is that twitch came from justin, I think ;D).
Even if you think your stream is not clear enough, I will be happy to take a quick peek for you and let you know, just pm me.
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I would advise just getting a twitch account anyway. There seems to be problems sometimes with getting notifications from Justin.tv.
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Working on it marinomitch. Thought about canceling Justin.tv account then just trying twitch. Everytime I go to twitch to go live it just goes back to Justin.tv. I have went to categories and switch to gaming takes me to twitch but always sends me back to Justin when I go live. It's a vicious cycle. Lol.
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Kool-Aid man says oh yeah! ;D
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Arcade Machine Streamers:
Most of the time when I stream, I use a $12.00 webcam, and it looks fine. 100% of the time when I stream TRON, The camera on my TRON game screen is a $12.00 webcam.
If your having in issues with clarity, you will need to go into the cam settings and adjust the exposures, brightness and contrast until it looks good. If you have a high quality webcam, you can even adjust the focus.
The Flash Encoder puts out a much better compressed picture than xsplit, but xsplit is much easier to setup and has more options for multiple webcams.
If your not using multiple webcams, and are having issues with picture quality, try the Flash Encoder.
If you are going to stream in a FREE tournament that is offering 100's of dollars in prizes, you should invest in at least a $20.00 Logitech webcam and take the time to tweak the settings for the best possible picture.
There is absolutely no reason your stream should have unreadable score or level.
-John
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Arcade Machine Streamers:
Most of the time when I stream, I use a $12.00 webcam, and it looks fine. 100% of the time when I stream TRON, The camera on my TRON game screen is a $12.00 webcam.
If your having in issues with clarity, you will need to go into the cam settings and adjust the exposures, brightness and contrast until it looks good. If you have a high quality webcam, you can even adjust the focus.
The Flash Encoder puts out a much better compressed picture than xsplit, but xsplit is much easier to setup and has more options for multiple webcams.
If your not using multiple webcams, and are having issues with picture quality, try the Flash Encoder.
If you are going to stream in a FREE tournament that is offering 100's of dollars in prizes, you should invest in at least a $20.00 Logitech webcam and take the time to tweak the settings for the best possible picture.
There is absolutely no reason your stream should have unreadable score or level.
-John
Not if you live in an area that has HORRIBLE streaming. My upload speed is .38 Mbps. I am also lucky to get uninterrupted service. Funny thing is I can get Cable, but the cable company does not offer cable internet. I really hate Charter, Verizon, and AT&T. All of them can get bent for not offering high speed service in my area.
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Ya. Slow upload speed will for sure be an issue.
Not much you can do about that....
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John, I am presently using Flash Encoder with an $80 Logitech 920c pro HD 1080p. I will try to adjust settings to see if I can get the level to appear. The angle of the monitor is an issue. I tried different angles and was able to get a faint level to appear but it is not playable that way over a long period of time. I will see what I can come up with.
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The key is to get the exposure correct. Don't use "AUTO" for exposure, brightness or contrast.
1) Set exposure to one notch above where you see bad scan lines (usually "7" with most config utilities)
2) Set contrast to right before the black of the monitor starts lightening up.
3) Set brightness so light colors are not washed out.
4) Slightly tweak as needed.
Your on your own after that.
I'm not supposed to helping with webcam setup anyway... But since this is for everyone, technically Eric can't yell at me.
Don't bother asking any webcam config questions. I wont answer them. I've said too much already...... :)
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John, I helped Corey a little this AM and his issue is the viewing angle for his monitor and cam more than exposure. We messed with it a bit and also tried to setup some screencap stuff.
I know you guys want to make sure the level is clearly visible but personally I would give Corey a pass for 'best effort' to get a quality stream. I would even go as far as say I would go back and verify the level count myself if it got him to be able to play and submit for the WCR.
-Ken
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Thanks for the support and help Ken! I actually just bought a new computer from Dell shortly after you were trying to help me. I tried all I could with the new configuration and my computer simply can't handle all the programs I am throwing at it. I got the 999.99 one: http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/pd?~ck=mn&~ck=mn. (http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/pd?~ck=mn&~ck=mn.) Thanks for your suggestions John, I will have my cab and new computer before we start.
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^ (translation) It's on like Donkey Kong
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I tried to change over to Twitch.tv, and for some reason it won't let me. I just keep getting back to Justin.tv. P.S. why is Justin.tv not allowed? Isn't Justin.tv the same company as Twitch.tv?
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I tried to change over to Twitch.tv, and for some reason it won't let me. I just keep getting back to Justin.tv. P.S. why is Justin.tv not allowed? Isn't Justin.tv the same company as Twitch.tv?
Hey George, you might want to take a look at the following Twitch TV announcement, located under "Current Issues and News":
http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/943898-twitch-tv-and-justin-tv-are-now-separate-sites (http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/943898-twitch-tv-and-justin-tv-are-now-separate-sites)
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George,
The rules have been updated. Justin.tv is fine. Eric actually okayed Justin.tv last tournament, we just forgot to add it to the actual rules.
Corey,
Whats your Twitch/Justin channel I'd like to take a look at your stream.
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I'm in .. Just hope i can get Saturday Off.. There not set in stone anymore .
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John, it is clchambers00. I adjusted the lighting in the room and moved the camera closer to my chin, lol, and got the level to show up. So I should be good. The new computer will be here tomorrow, and my cab is coming on Sunday. I should be good now, John. When I use the new computer, I will be using the OBS so no more webcam to bad computer screen!
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There's nothing explicitly wrong with Justin, it's just not as integrated with the community and its layout is rather clunky in comparison. People can follow you on Twitch to get notified when you stream, and you can list your game name in the title so that people can find you when they look for DK games. That's how I found most of the streamers here.
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Qualifying rounds??
The plot thickens!
Twin Galaxies story coming soon...
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I'm in again :)
Will have to try and get my cab out of the storage unit otherwise I'll be stuck playing on the PC. Can't guarantee I'll have internet access, but I'll try, Wildcard #2 was great fun.
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Just wanted clarification on the start time:
Is the 9pm start time on the 21st, or on the 22nd relative to the Pacific time zone? In other words, does most of the competition fall on the 22nd or 23rd relative to those living in the Pacific time zone? Thanks. Just needed to be absolutely certain, as I will be streaming all these WCRs from my local arcade!
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9:00PM PST on the 21st.
Good lookin' out Mitch. We'll have to make this crystal clear in the rules.
I'm going to add a time zone start time section to the top of the rules page tonight.
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What do you all think of the Wild Card Rematch/Kong Off 3 integration?
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We have a thread going about that here:
https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=313.0 (https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=313.0)
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This is going to be great. Hopefully I can participate!
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I want to see some good official scores put up during our WCR #3! :) I wanted to makes sure our MAME players are aware of a new instruction for score submissions for the Donkey Kong High Score List on the DK Forum. Note: This is just a reminder for those hoping to have their WCR #3 scores updated on the High Score List.
I have included the new requirement of having a player include an attachment of the zip folder containing the .inp and .wlf files to their score post. I am also keeping the list WolfMAME only requirement.
Requiring people to post the zip folder containing the .inp and .wlf files allows me to verify the checksum and speed of emulation. It also requires the player to Play and Record which will automatically disallow pausing, so this will never be an issue. If someone is recording and had used cheats (if there are any for DK) then the input will not play back for me at all. This will also help with the concern of people trying to stream a MAME game that looks real through software and save-states which had been mentioned at one time. Requiring the inp and wlf files will eliminate this streaming issue. Having the files adds evidence to the list which I will hyperlink as INP in the source category. If anyone has their .inp and .wlf files for the game they have on the list, please feel free to put a copy of these into a zip folder and attach it to a post in this thread.
Have fun during the Tournament and hopefully we can get some updated scores! Thanks.
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Corey.Chambers' post consists of requirements that do not currently apply to the WCR#3. The WCR#3 rules and requirements are listed at the beginning if this thread. At this time, those are the only rules and requirements to play in the WCR#3. At this time Eric Tessler and John Salter will be the only people verifying scores for the WCR#3.
If you would like your score from the WCR#3 to be entered as an official TG score, than you will need to follow the official TG rules and requirements, which may be what Corey. Chambers is referring to.
-John
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The attachment thing that Corey is describing is what will need to be done to get any scores achieved during the WCR #3 onto our unofficial DK forum scoreboard.
So yeah, just for anybody passing through, so that there's no confusion, Corey's instructions are NOT part of the WCR rules.
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John and Chris, yeah, my post was to make sure our MAME players are aware of a new instruction for score submissions for the Donkey Kong High Score List on the DK Forum. Note: This is just a reminder for those hoping to have their WCR #3 scores updated on the High Score List. I edited my previous post to clarify this intent. Sorry for the confusion, I just thought it would be a good time and place to offer this reminder so that there is no confusion over the criteria for accepting a WCR #3 score as eligible for the High Score List. Thanks guys! :)
Edit: Though given the fact that one could stream what looks like a real game as was argued in the High Score List maybe it would not be a bad idea to include this requirement, especially since we are now going to consider the 8 best overall scores from these three tournaments as official placement in the WildCard at the Kong Off. Not my call though. You are doing a great job John, I appreciate all of this!
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ATTENTION !!! :o
Important new announcement: https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=327.0 (https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=327.0)
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I just wanted to clarify. I actually thought you were referring to TG scores.
A couple people had messaged me about rule changes, so I knew there was some confusion.
If someone, out of the blue, hits a top score, trust me, it will be watched, analyzed, and ripped apart by everyone. That's the glory of requiring a quality stream, and having it available for all to view.
I am going to talk to Eric about reinstating one of the mame requirements we had a couple tournaments ago. Keep your eyes on the rules thread. It can be updated anytime before the tournament.
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Yeah, once again I apologize for the confusion. It was not intended. Obviously we don't need to have the same criteria for our special projects but I definitely had the concern of people putting up some new scores and then not having it fit what I am trying to accomplish for everyone. I mentioned the reasons why I thought this requirement was helpful to me, and then after thinking about it, I thought it might be a good idea overall. It makes no difference to me what you guys decide for your project, I just didn't want their to be any good scores omitted on my side. I mean, because of the potential of inp playback during WCR #3, which would not be difficult to do, since the process for playing back an inp is very similar to recording one, it may not be seen depending on when the stream is started. I don't recall if your rules includes having to show the MAME start up process to help avoid this possibility. I mean, I am still moved by Hank Chien's argument: "Give me a week and I can stream a 1.2M MAME game on twitch. With a little extra effort, I could even make it appear live." That statement always stuck with me. And then Chris, I believe it was taught me how to use the wlfviewer , and another gstrain taught me that if cheats were used, if there are any for dkong, this the inp would not play if my cheats were not on. Then I realized that the inp evidence would only strengthen the High Score List, so it was an obvious choice for me. But once again, please feel free to take my suggestions or don't, it is ok with me either way. I just wanted to make sure that people understood my requirement and have plenty of time to get in the habit of recording their inp if they don't want their score omitted from the High Score List. Thanks for your listening ear. :)
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I really like the inp stuff because it makes the MAME games completely ironclad. In fact, I never brought it up, but I thought it was a little strange that you weren't asking for inps already!
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Thanks, Chris. And to be honest, I was still learning a bunch of stuff about it. It wasn't until we were discussing different emulators that I realized that the TG scoreboard, and the list I was working on were not immune to development and having grandfathered scores. I didn't know about the wlfviewer, or about cheats during playback, so when all this came together with Hank's comment, it now made sense to me. Feel free to bring things up. I may not be as knowledgeable about all this as some may think. :) When I started the list, I did so blindly, and from scratch, but I muddled my way through, and I think the journey has been worth it for sure, because we got a great list now!
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I have the inps and wlfs for my games from the previous WC tournaments. I think anytime you're potentially submitting a score for something, it's just good practice to record all your games locally. I think inps or video recording, together with streaming, are the highest form of proof we can achieve save doing a score live.
That said, verifying both a local recording and a live stream is more work for the authenticating parties, and it is hopefully not necessary within this community. That is, I'd prefer to think that no one here would ever stream a replay (or cheat in any way) because that would be the lamest thing of all-time.
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I have included the new requirement of having a player include an attachment of the zip folder containing the .inp and .wlf files to their score post. I am also keeping the list WolfMAME only requirement.
Hopefully I'm not derailing the thread in asking this, but does anyone know how to generate a .wlf in wolfmame versions post 106 when recording a game?
I use 106 to stream solely because it seems to be one of the few versions that doesn't lag out while streaming, but I prefer to use the current version of wolfmame when I can. In versions post 106, upon issuing the standard "record dkong dkong-filename-here", it only generates a .inp and not a .wlf to go along with it...
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Ross, yeah, I agree, I hope no one will do that. If they do, I will catch them, it won't get passed me. I actually don't need to watch both a stream and an inp. I can see the stream for sure, and I just need to verify that the inp was created at the time of streaming to see that it is new, and that it works, and passes a simple test with the wlfviewer. It is not required for the WCR but it is certainly required for the DK Forum High Score List. And the only person that does that work right now is me, so not too much for everybody else, just an ironclad process for MAME submissions.
Phil, I have been thinking about that issue as well. I have yet to work with an inp from a newer version but I do have it ready, if all you get is an inp then that is all we can work with. I have not figured out how to record an inp with the newest version of MAME so I have not had the chance to try it out.
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Phil, I have been thinking about that issue as well. I have yet to work with an inp from a newer version but I do have it ready, if all you get is an inp then that is all we can work with. I have not figured out how to record an inp with the newest version of MAME so I have not had the chance to try it out.
No prob, Corey...I'll just use 106 for now to make it easier for verification. Just thought I'd ask in the event someone else knew how to generate both the .wlf and .inp...
Thanks for the quick response :)
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I really like the inp stuff because it makes the MAME games completely ironclad.
An examination of the INP and WLF files is the simplest and most straightforward method of validating a MAME score. However, for a time-sensitive event (like the WCR #3), where scores must be achieved during a 24 hour period, it's far from ironclad. Any player could easily adjust the date and time on their PC to 06/22/13, play until they put up a score they're happy with, and then replay the INP on Saturday at the appropriate time. The recording will pass all wlfview validation checks, with no evidence of wrongdoing. With only a few mouse clicks, unscrupulous players could give themselves several days to record a high score, instead of just one.
Yes, it's incredibly lame. No, I don't believe anyone here would disrespect the community by employing such a low tactic. But we should certainly be wary of the possibilities.
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Ross, yeah, I agree, I hope no one will do that. If they do, I will catch them, it won't get passed me. I actually don't need to watch both a stream and an inp. I can see the stream for sure, and I just need to verify that the inp was created at the time of streaming to see that it is new, and that it works, and passes a simple test with the wlfviewer. It is not required for the WCR but it is certainly required for the DK Forum High Score List. And the only person that does that work right now is me, so not too much for everybody else, just an ironclad process for MAME submissions.
I've never understood that requirement (highlighted above). As I mentioned in my previous post, the date and time is obviously critical for a WCR #3 submission. But, as it applies to the DK Forum's High Score List, why does the timing matter, other than providing a value for the "Date" column? What difference does it make if a game was streamed live, or if it was recorded yesterday, last week, or even 5 years ago? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I fail to see the reasoning behind the criteria. Can somebody explain?
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Wonder why PSP hasn't registered for the tournament......?
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I live in Akron Ohio and we are EDT Time Zone.
So I would start @ Midnight? I am 3 hours ahead I think? right??
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And I would end @ midnight Monday? Did I figure this right?
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Midnight Sunday Dustin. Its Midnight Eastern time for 24 hours. Basically all day/night Saturday. :)
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Ross, yeah, I agree, I hope no one will do that. If they do, I will catch them, it won't get passed me. I actually don't need to watch both a stream and an inp. I can see the stream for sure, and I just need to verify that the inp was created at the time of streaming to see that it is new, and that it works, and passes a simple test with the wlfviewer. It is not required for the WCR but it is certainly required for the DK Forum High Score List. And the only person that does that work right now is me, so not too much for everybody else, just an ironclad process for MAME submissions.
I've never understood that requirement (highlighted above). As I mentioned in my previous post, the date and time is obviously critical for a WCR #3 submission. But, as it applies to the DK Forum's High Score List, why does the timing matter, other than providing a value for the "Date" column? What difference does it make if a game was streamed live, or if it was recorded yesterday, last week, or even 5 years ago? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I fail to see the reasoning behind the criteria. Can somebody explain?
Scott, the context for the requirement had to do with a discussion that took place on the High Score List thread awhile back about the possibility of people making a stream that looks like they are playing a game live on MAME. Now, I thought, well, if I had the inp and wlf files for this supposed game they just played, it is more likely that it is genuine. Perhaps I am wrong, but wouldn't it be far easier for someone to create the appearance of a live MAME game than it would be to offer me an inp and wlf files that corresponds with what I saw in the stream? How knows whether it was played on MAME at one time or if it is something created in some video software. At least as far as I understood the argument. Seeing the date on the inp and wlf file just helps also to verify that it was done live, as it was portrayed to be. However, I was also unaware of the possibilities of someone changing the time on their computer. Perhaps you should just assume I am ignorant from now on, you would most likely be right. :)
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Could it be... a surprise competitor?? ;D
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I would be shocked if PSP competed...
But what better way to stifle the naysayers, like me.
It would be absolutely epic if he played in the tournament and dropped an 800K+ bomb. But I'm doubtful he will register.
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Not sure if other top 12 players paid attention that they have to register or are they opting out after the tournament opened up.
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I haven't registered yet because it is unlikely I can compete. My laptop is out for repair and I have to work Saturday.
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About the tournament time 9:00 PM PST 6/21 - 8:59PM PST 6/22. Does your last game have to be completed before 8:59PM or is that a last start within that range?
Just curious, if I start a game a 7:30 PST and it ends at 9:30 PST, for example.
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As long as you start your game on or before 8:59PM PST on 6/22, you are cool - so in your example, that would be a valid game.
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***ATTENTION***
We moved the start time to 12 AM PST tonight (June 22) due to the fact that twitch.tv is down :P
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ATTENTION all Donkey Kong players!!!!
twitch and justin tv are still down, we are going to wait until 2 am pacific time, if they are not back up by then we will delay the start until 9 am pacific time June 22, hopefully it will be back up by then. Stay tuned for more updates.
If twitch/justin tv are back up by midnight pacific, that will be the current start time, from what I just heard we have a shot at that...
Personally, I think Vincent Lemay has something to do with this Maybe because all the wildcard players are getting better! ::)
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We at the Kencade think a 24hr postpone would be great... 9am start seems to take away a good portion of the play time for most normal sleeping ppl ;-)
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I would actually love a 24-hour postponement...
Maybe there should be a poll?
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ATTENTION all Donkey Kong players: twitch is still down, so for now the contest is postponed.
I will talk to John tomorrow morning to see what is the best time to start...stay tuned and good night!
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Personally, I think Vincent Lemay has something to do with this Maybe because all the wildcard players are getting better! ::)
That's generally a good rule of thumb. If Vincent is in the building, Vincent gets called for the foul. ;)
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Looks like twitch is back online. Going to have to re-do passwords tho.... ::)
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Starting at 9:00AM PST Today, in 1 hour.
The tournament is 24 hours long, so there's equal time for everyone to play.
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http://www.twitch.tv/cheetah30p (http://www.twitch.tv/cheetah30p) is my new stream! :-). Hope I'm not too late!
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This good news. I might be able to get a few games in.
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Twitch is dicking me around i change my pass word it all lites up green saying i did sucsefull ...but it wont work and it still taking my old password im stuck in a loop :(
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Twitch is dicking me around i change my pass word it all lites up green saying i did sucsefull ...but it wont work and it still taking my old password im stuck in a loop :(
Yeah, I'm having trouble getting twitch to work for me today as well. I did the password change after it asked me to, but I spent about 15 minutes and couldn't get a stream going so said screw it, I want to play not mess around with technical problems.
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mind xsplit will still have your old password saved so you need to change that to...
8)
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**ATTENTION DK Players***
The contest is now being extended to 9 pm pacific time 6/23/2013...an extra 12 hours to make up for the twitch.tv issues!
Keep those scores coming in and good luck!
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I am very grateful for this tournament. It has been a lot of fun and the games I have played in the heat of competition have been rewarding. Thanks to all those in charge and those who have offered money as motivators.
With that said, and with nothing here that follows to negate anything that preceded it, I had some ideas to throw out there. I know that there had been a lot of talk about tournaments for everyone that could possibly include handicaps and other issues and I never really had anything to add until now. I don't mind the idea of opening up these tournaments to give everyone a chance to win some money, but this change should have been paired with a division layout. In Chess tournaments there will be an under 1200 division, a 1200 to 1400 division, etc, based on people's rating. Once I won 50 bucks because I beat everyone in the under 1200 because at the time I was only ranked about 1180 or something like that. This is what really gives everyone a chance to win money because once you opened up the tournament to the absolute best then you are not only giving them the opportunity to win money, you are essentially going to give them money more so over others, especially without a division layout for prize eligibility. Another aspect of this basically requires the player to maintain a pace that is a challenge for them as opposed for a 1.16M player to put up a simple million game to win most of the money. I asked Dean once how many attempts it would take him to get a million, and he said that if he was only aiming for a million that he could do it in about 3 or 4 attempts. Consider that Dan offered $50 to the first million point game on the pretense that the quality of player was limited but then when the rules changed, do you expect for him to take back his offer? Dean can get over a million any day he wants to and I am sure this is not what Dan had in mind when he posted the price. Also, the extension of hours of a tournament, or any rule changes after a tournament has already started, should not offer any advantage or disadvantage to the players. We all had to face Twitch issues, we all knew when the tournament began although postponed. Some people will not be able to play today such as myself to have the opportunity to increase their scores, offering an advantage to those who are able to keep trying. I suppose any move can be controversial but these two issues could have, at least I think, been done differently. Such as 1) if you are opening up the prizes to all, then establish some kind of division layout for them, and 2) if you are going to extend the length of a tournament then it should have been announced at the time of postponement so that all of us had an equal amount of time to prepare and accommodate for the extension.
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I have to agree about the contestant pool, since prizes are involved. I said it a few days ago and yesterday: as soon as this was opened up to everyone, 1st was as good as Dean's. And sure enough, there he was. ;D
I feel, for a number of reasons, that the free-for-all should have been saved for the LAST of this series, not the first, and some sort of handicapping system put into place because of the way prize money complicates things, but what's done is done. And it's no biggie, at any rate.
As for the tournament extension, that's trickier. I support the decision to extend it. I can't say that this was a bad or unfair move, because something needed to be done under the circumstances.
This was a totally unprecedented situation with Twitch's downtime on Friday. Starting 12 hours later opened up a whole bunch of problems relating to fairness and the integrity of the tournament, but there was nothing Eric and John could do about that.
Nothing they could do about announcing the extension early either. Everybody assumed that once Twitch came back, it would simply be back, not buggy and broken all day. I, for example, got kicked off of my stream in the middle of the game and could not reconnect for 10 minutes (and it was definitely Twitch because my Internet connection stayed on). There are password problems, key problems, etc.
So on Twitch's bugginess, Eric and John kinda had to play it by ear, and it was a total no-win decision! Stick to 24 hours and some players would feel slighted; extend it to 36 and other players (specifically the players trying to protect their place on the leaderboard ;)) would feel slighted.
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mind people who place wont be able to win prizes in the next 2...
8)
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If I was going to be third, I am no longer because of the extension since I am sure that Phil's game started after 12pm EST. Opening it up to people like Dean just steals most of the prize money from everyone else. And I don't think that an extension actually helped anything unless it was announced at the time of postponement so people could plan and prepare so people like me have time to defend my position on the leader board. Every change has been to my disadvantage in this tournament, and that should never be the case under any circumstances. No player should have to endure those kinds of conditions. That would have put me at 2nd, but now it puts me at nothing. At least I am one of the top qualifiers at this point, which was done correctly. Let me see, $100 or two changes from the original format that screws me over. hmmmm, I think I have a right to be upset. I don't mind getting beat by Phil and Jeff because like myself we all improved our personal best, and I tip my hat to them. This is true overall, but then it will just go to someone who is in the top 12, and this still does not solved the non-division format issue. Maybe we should create a rating system like in Chess, that would be interesting, and calculated based tournament averages, etc.
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Yikes.
I was hoping the top 3 wouldn't change in those last 12 hours, exactly because it would be unfair to you, but yeah, you got boned 100%.
I too would be annoyed at the very least. My sympathies!
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Corey, you should consider this: this might actually work out *better* for you in the "metatournament". Think about it: now we've now gotten the top 12 out of the way, plus two of the more powerful wildcards (Phil and Jeff Wolfe). They can no longer win prize money.
So if you can repeat or exceed your performance from this tournament in the next tournament, you might place first because the field will be softer. In other words, placing third in this one would actually *cost* you money because you'd be ineligible for a prize later.
I decided on a strategy of just running boards in this tourney and one of the reasons for that is that, based on the "no repeat prizewinners" rule, I'm saving my serious, all-out attempt for one of the later tourneys, where it stands a better chance at more money, because the bigger guns will have been cleared out.
Think long-term! This might be the best thing that could have happened to you!
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this still going on I'm confused on time since it has been changed so many times
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Thanks, Chris. I understand the strategy that I will need to work with at this point. I see that this addresses some of my concerns but I still think there is a measure of crap on both of the fronts in general that may not sit well with everyone. Like I told Eric, it is your money so you can do with it what you want.
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Corey, you should consider this: this might actually work out *better* for you in the "metatournament".
Uh oh! Chris has discovered the secret that if you attach the prefix 'meta' to words that you automatically sound more sophisticated!
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I love "meta-."
Meta is my jam.
Mitch, did you even play this weekend?? You need to get your spot!