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General Donkey Kong Discussion => General Donkey Kong Discussion => Topic started by: homerwannabee on April 04, 2013, 05:20:19 am
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This recent talk of whether or not Griner could play in the NBA has got me to thinking. Will we personally ever have a female Donkey Kong killscreener? Now before people get the pitchforks, and say I am a sexist pig, let me explain myself. I do 100 percent think almost all women have the potential to killscreen Donkey Kong. That is not the problem.
Here is the problem. Is there any woman out there that thinks this accomplishment is significant enough to spend enough time to go after it? Of the women who somewhat play this game almost all have boyfriends who also play the game. They also have extremely active lifestyles where Donkey Kong is super low on the priority list of things to do.
To make an analogy. Think of the creepiest, loneliest, weirdest guy that you know (OK, maybe that is me. ;D). That my friends is Donkey Kong. That dude you know has about as much chance of getting a long sustaining relationship as Donkey Kong has of getting a woman to actually invest a major amount of her time on it.
So it's very likely we may never have a female killscreener. Not because it's too hard for a woman to accomplish, but because it's too hard to imagine a woman actually investing that much time into this game to accomplish that.
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If there is talk of allowing Griner to play in the NBA, why not let non-NBA caliber males try out for the WNBA? Fair is fair.
I played college basketball. I could make a WNBA team. I feel I'm being discriminated against.
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Will a woman ever killscreen DK? I don't know. Could they? Certainly.
I think you perfectly state the crux of the problem: "Is there any woman out there that thinks this accomplishment is significant enough to spend enough time to go after it?"
Maybe there is a woman out there like this, and if so, she will eventually reach the kill screen.
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There's a couple of lady's playing .. They are getting quite good! So yes i see this happening! :)
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Will we personally ever have a female Donkey Kong killscreener?
I'll answer the question in 2 ways.
The Wiseguy Answer
Ha! Not without save states! :P
(attempting to duck the barrage of overripe fruit, office supplies and other projectiles being hurled in my direction)
The Genuine Answer
It's already been pointed out that "Could it happen?" and "Will it happen?" are fundamentally different questions.
Could it happen? Absolutely. Zero doubt.
Will it happen? I believe so. The obstacle has nothing to do with innate ability, and everything to do with dedication and persistence. All it takes is one individual who is willing to invest the time and energy (or is prodigiously talented).
A better question: Will a woman killscreen this game before me?
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How do you say her name Kaylay? And Hanks Wife Youme... BTW Happy Birthday again!
these ladys have great skills and they are getting better. Like i said before sure i can see this happening sooner then later!
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In terms of the pure neurophysical ability to do it, I don't doubt for a minute that the percentage of women capable of killscreening the game is about the same as the percentage of men.
When it comes to sports and games where the physical dimorphism between men and women does not put women at a disadvantage (chess, video games, etc., as opposed to football), women have demonstrated that they can dominate. For example, Jennifer Harman, Kathy Liebert, or Vannessa Selbst will destroy virtually any male poker player.
The snag in all of this is participation.
In competitive games, the ratio of participants is always so heavily weighted towards men that the lack of women at or near the top is statistically inevitable simply because far more men are playing. (Classic arcade gaming in particular is a major sausage fest, probably like 200-to-1 male to female.)
So it's not that women aren't or can't be as good, it's just that very few show up to play.
As for the difference in participation, that I think comes down to anthropology.
Men are different than women in terms of (1) psychological hardwiring and (2) social programming as it relates to obsessiveness/drive, risk-taking, and competitiveness.
Decide for yourself how much of it is nature and how much is nurture, but whichever it is, the bottom line is that men (on average) just care about this kind of stuff more.
Finding a woman who *can* killscreen DK is easy. What's hard is finding one that's as crazy as we are about *wanting* to do it!
If participation by women were to increase, if we had even 10 going for a kill screen, I think it would happen very quickly.
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Yeah, I agree, besides CAG in general, this particular game doesn't really grab them. An example I relate this to is guitar, and I'm not talking Sheryl Crow strumming and singing, or a girl playing a few power chords and saying she's metal. But, seeing a girl play guitar like I like to see, heavy and shredding, you do find it every now and then, like this girl playing one of my favorite I just came across today.
Sorry for the embedding...it's automatic.
Bark At The Moon - Ozzy Osbourne (cover by Juliette Valduriez) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkj4bU8lozc#)
To me, this girl playing guitar like this is the equivalent of finding a girl wanting to killscreen DK.
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Yeah, I agree, besides CAG in general, this particular game doesn't really grab them.
What doesn't grab them? I mean the game is about a 5 ft 2 inch obese plumber with a 70's porno mustache.
What's not to love about that?
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If you ask someone I know, several females got killscreens close to and/or over 1 million points back in the day.... ;)
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This recent talk of whether or not Griner could play in the NBA has got me to thinking. Will we personally ever have a female Donkey Kong killscreener? Now before people get the pitchforks, and say I am a sexist pig, let me explain myself. I do 100 percent think almost all women have the potential to killscreen Donkey Kong. That is not the problem.
Who were you referencing in the first sentence (I don't like referring to folks only by their last names in the first references to them)? As for the question, I don't care whether the next person who advances to the final stage of the arcade version of Donkey Kong is male or female. Every person has the same potential to achieve this goal.
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A few months ago I heard of a female player that stated that she was going to try and work toward a killscreen, but I haven't heard any new updates about it in quite a while so I assume she has changed her mind. It's understandable, and completing gaming goals aren't the most important thing in the world. I guess my point for this post is that I think there are more female DK players than one would assume. I guess I should answer the original post's question, ha ha. Will a woman ever killscreen Donkey Kong? If a player comes along and has the desire and determination to get it done, then yes, of course! Simple as that.
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This recent talk of whether or not Griner could play in the NBA has got me to thinking. Will we personally ever have a female Donkey Kong killscreener?
Who were you referencing in the first sentence (I don't like referring to folks only by their last names in the first references to them)?
George was referring to Brittney Griner, senior center on the Baylor University women's basketball team. She was recently named AP player of the year for the second consecutive season.
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Interesting:
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/ (http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/)
This article gives pretty much exactly the same reason for the lack of female chess grandmasters as I did for the lack of DK killscreeners - it's simply that there are fewer female *participants*, making their under-representation at the top statistically inevitable.
They don't posit the same explanation I did for female under-participation (innately-programmed and/or socially-programmed competitiveness in men), but there it is.
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Interesting:
http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/ (http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/12/23/why-are-there-so-few-female-chess-grandmasters/)
This article gives pretty much exactly the same reason for the lack of female chess grandmasters as I did for the lack of DK killscreeners - it's simply that there are fewer female *participants*, making their under-representation at the top statistically inevitable.
They don't posit the same explanation I did for female under-participation (innately-programmed and/or socially-programmed competitiveness in men), but there it is.
Oh, I think almost all of us came to the conclusion that it has absolutely nothing to do with the ability. It all has to do with the amount of time dedicated to this competitive field. I even came to the same conclusion in my original post.
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I think you can really only answer this question as a probability. I don't think, it's absolutely yes, or absolutely no.
I happen to be in a unique situation, having the top female DK player play in my house.
If she were to make adjustments, she obviously could make it. But you could say that about anybody!
What would you say the probability of a random DK player to hit killscreen? 1% (Obviously too high, but let's go with that.)
And there are a handful of women playing DK seriously, let's say 10 serious players (again, probably high, but let's go with that).
That's not boding well for a potential killscreener out of a pool that small. You would expect the size of the pool to hit 100 before you got 1--and like I said, that 1% is pretty damn high, keeping in mind how small the number of killscreeners was just a few years ago.
I love DK, but I also know that it won't be the game du jour forever. So if this resurgence of DK popularity has only garnered a small population of serious female DK players, I can only assume that it will just dwindle over time. So ten serious female players is the upper limit.
Given that, the EV of a female kilscreener is about 1/10--a long shot. And if DK fades in popularity the chances get smaller and smaller.
So you could easily say "no" and be right. But there's no downside in saying yes, because if they don't do it, you're never really wrong. And you look more optimistic. And if they do it, you get to say, "Told ya!"
So, I'm going to say. Hell yes! A hot chick will killscreen sooner than you think!!!
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I think it will just take one player to take it seriously for a little while and stick to it. Who will it be? I think the first one will be big news!
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If a woman can max out at 999,999 on tetris, then a woman can killscreen donkey kong. :)