Donkey Kong Forum
General Donkey Kong Discussion => The Kong Off => Topic started by: hchien on July 24, 2013, 01:14:39 pm
-
In case you haven't seen:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/article/2418/kong-off-3-udates-and-contest-news/ (http://www.twingalaxies.com/article/2418/kong-off-3-udates-and-contest-news/)
-
Well that was sudden.
Jourdan sent a message to us this morning and said "I'd like to get this up today," then there were a bunch of "OK, go for its," and by the time I got to it, it was up.
I don't know what to tell ya. I've asked questions repeatedly and none of them were answered.
Does anyone understand the Friday format? I certainly don't. The top 12 players can start playing for competitive scores on Friday night? As in, before the event actually starts?? Huh? What about the wildcard qualifiers? Do they have from 11-5 to play, 11 to midnight? When is the cutoff, exactly? People are paying to get into that live qualifier, they ought to know.
I would have liked to get Friday clarified, among other things, but oh well.
-
I would have liked to get Friday clarified, among other things, but oh well.
You won't need to get Friday clarified if you burst your ass and make it to top 12! ;). Kidding.
The prize money are pretty cool (1st- 3k 2nd- 1k 3rd- 500$). The Kong Off 3 is going to be pretty good!
-
I'm personally concerned about Friday because, not only do I have zero chance of getting into the top 12, there's a very good chance I won't get one of the 8 wildcard spots in the online tourneys either.
I may have been good in 2011, but I suck by 2013 standards! Friday is my only chance!
But beyond that, I just don't understand what the schedule is for the top 12 players. Because this seems to be saying that the contest actually begins on Friday night. I don't get that.
If the official scoreboard starts at 5 and goes to midnight, that's almost a full day's worth of play. Dean could have 1.1 before the "opening ceremony" has even happened!
-
...if you burst your ass...
Gross...
-
There will be a mandatory stop in play around 5pm to help solicit the machine selection process for the top 12 players. Top 12 players can begin playing on their machines after the machine selections process is complete. Scores from Friday from the top 12 players will be accepted until 12am Saturday November 16th.
If I go to KO3, I wont leave to go until Friday and arrive in Denver around 3 PM anyway. So, it appears they'll let TOP12's pick their machines at 5 PM, then you can start playing on them....For warm up is what I expected, but I see it says scores from 5PM-midnight Friday WILL be accepted. OK...jsut a little early bird chance. I doubt I will do any serious Friday evening. I'll be playign a little, having some beers and mingling Friday evening to be ready for Sat-Sun.
-
Well it sounds like the event formally begins at 5pm on Friday from the announcement. It also looks like they say they have 22 machines. That means 10 wildcard machines?
The wildcard scores from Friday were due to reset on Saturday last I heard so is that the case or is the extra day of gameplay a perk the Top 12 get if they wish to do so? (Which is perfectly cool with me and since the WCR people won't play on Friday i would hope the WC scores on Friday don't carry over).
I'll ping on Cat/Richie as I don't have Jourdan as a friend on Facebook but the "Special" hotel rate is ONLY for the 15th - 17th. Since I'll need to play on Friday most likely I'll have to fly in on Thur and then fly out on Monday (Who will check out on Sunday if your staying for the awards?!?!). I'm hoping this is just an error but its $119 a night and only for the 15th - 17th now. I try any other dates it tells me no rooms available.
I want a Fix It Felix Jr if at all possible :D
Game on...
-
Actually, this is even weirder than it was on my first read.
Looking at this again, the document says that ALL players can begin playing at 11 AM, before the official machine selection even happens.
So let me get this straight:
- Official play for the top 12 begins at 11 AM Friday
- Play pauses for machine selection at 5 PM (after six hours of play)
- Play continues until midnight
- The next morning at 10, there is a players meeting, introductions, and the first quarter drop at 11:30, last at 8.
In other words, it's not actually two days, it's three, the first day is the longest, machine selection doesn't happen until halfway through Day 1, and the players don't get introduced until Day 2???
-
Actually, this is even weirder than it was on my first read.
Looking at this again, the document says that ALL players can begin playing at 11 AM, before the official machine selection even happens.
So let me get this straight:
- Official play for the top 12 begins at 11 AM Friday
- Play pauses for machine selection at 5 PM (after six hours of play)
- Play continues until midnight
- The next morning at 10, there is a players meeting, introductions, and the first quarter drop at 11:30, last at 8.
In other words, it's not actually two days, it's three, the first day is the longest, machine selection doesn't happen until halfway through Day 1, and the players don't get introduced until Day 2???
You nailed it, now quit bitching about it. You want a tournament your way put up some cash and see if you can do a better job. Seriously, this cry baby bullshit needs to stop.
-
"All players - inclusive of the Wildcard players- will have the option to begin gameplay at around 11am" I read that as all of the wildcard players can start at 11 am on Friday, only on the set number of wildcard machines though. THe top 12 machines will always be open for the top 12 to bounce around and see which one they like. After they pick their machine at 5PM, the can start an early-bird special night, but the official kickoff of the kong off with the bells and whistles will be Saturday at 11 AM.
-
Actually, this is even weirder than it was on my first read.
Looking at this again, the document says that ALL players can begin playing at 11 AM, before the official machine selection even happens.
So let me get this straight:
- Official play for the top 12 begins at 11 AM Friday
- Play pauses for machine selection at 5 PM (after six hours of play)
- Play continues until midnight
- The next morning at 10, there is a players meeting, introductions, and the first quarter drop at 11:30, last at 8.
In other words, it's not actually two days, it's three, the first day is the longest, machine selection doesn't happen until halfway through Day 1, and the players don't get introduced until Day 2???
You nailed it, now quit bitching about it. You want a tournament your way put up some cash and see if you can do a better job. Seriously, this cry baby bullshit needs to stop.
It's not so obvious that Chris is bitching about it. Take a breath and stop assuming the worst. :)
My personal opinion these days: There's never gonna be a perfectly fair DK tournament in the sense that it takes into consideration 1) the similarities/differences between MAME and arcade, 2) the differences between good players and good live players, and 3) how to accommodate both the established good players as well as allows for the average joe to step up and prove his worth off-the-cuff. Because of this, I'm seeing the Kong Offs as the best 'attempt' at a basically impossible task. And because of this, I'm not gonna get upset really all that much about the logistics of the KOs, so long as they simply continue to happen. Even moreso, the Kong Offs have become for me the one chance in the year to simply hang out with some of my good friends, playing the game we love.
-
I'm not even bitching, I'm just trying to comprehend what the heck the format is.
(In fact, I'm the one who's been saying "whatever, it's their deal" and going along with the program this whole time, whether with Jon and Eric and the wildcard stuff, or the KO itself.)
I don't give a flip what rules or structure get set up, but I do need to understand what they are.
-
Looks like bitching to me too.
I guess it's to the organizer's credit. They've done such a good job making the magic happen that people take it for granted. Because you can't be all critical and finding fault or shortcomings without taking it for granted. And passive aggressive sniping is still sniping.
And Ken you made my day. Agreed, this shit really has to stop.
-
Only on the DKForum would people have a problem with an extra day of Konging-Off. Oh, excuse me, not a problem. Confusion about the extra day of fun.
And I know money is a hot button issue for everyone, me included. But guess what, the guys putting on the show are spending more time and money than you to make it happen. I mean let's get serious here for a second, have a little reality check.
-
You nailed it
Are you sure he nailed it? The scores for Friday do seem ambiguous.
-
The Knicker Twist Quotient in this thread is very high.
-
OK, I'm a little confused. I didn't catch any bitching in Chris' confusion of the set up. I think that's all it was was a little confusion about how everything is going to happen. As a player in KO1/KO2 and hopefully KO3, I like what I see so far in the set up for KO3 from what I read on TG and it all seems fair for Top12 and wildcard to me. Just think some are just reading it wrong.
But Ken/George, you are two of my favorite guys in the the classic arcade arena, no need to turn into PSP bully mode on some questions being asked. Sometimes simple clarification is all that is needed.
-
Timeframes for Friday competition really do need to be clarified.
The sections for Saturday and Sunday consistantly use the phrase "Last Quarter . . ." whereas the descriptions for Friday play say things like "there will be a mandatory stop in play . . ." and "scores . . . will be accepted until . . ."
It would be MUCH better if "Last Quarter" was specified (and enforced) throughout the whole competition so that people are not 3/4 of the way to the kill screen when all machines have the plugs pulled or something silly like that.
For example, if play must be halted at 5pm on Friday, should players begin making the decision to not start a new game at around 2pm and just go get some lunch instead?
I think the players just want the timeframes to be well defined ahead of time, regardless of what they may be.
-
You all know that Richie and Jordan do not post here so why is anyone asking questions here. It was clear whining about it. If you have real issue or need real clarification, pm me and I will get it sorted out with the only people who can clarify it.
I am so sick of all this crying about the rules and the changes and the this and that not being clear or fair or whatever. We are all lucky to have these guys willing to invest 10s of thousands of dollars for us gamers.
Again. Real issues to my pm box. All else is pointless complaining as no ear that matters will hear it.
-
Stop bitching, and stop bitching about bitching, you bitches.
Touch penises and walk away.
-
You all know that Richie and Jordan do not post here so why is anyone asking questions here. It was clear whining about it. If you have real issue or need real clarification, pm me and I will get it sorted out with the only people who can clarify it.
I am so sick of all this crying about the rules and the changes and the this and that not being clear or fair or whatever. We are all lucky to have these guys willing to invest 10s of thousands of dollars for us gamers.
Again. Real issues to my pm box. All else is pointless complaining as no ear that matters will hear it.
Ken, you're a TG ref. You've heard the issues/concerns/confusions. The natural (and kind) thing would be for you to be an intermediary for those that either 1) don't know Richie and Jourdan at all, or 2) do know Richie and Jourdan, but don't have as close of a relationship with him as you do. I know you've said that people can PM you, but realize that people may just be posting so that other people (who aren't you, and who aren't TG refs) may be able to clarify things for them if their confusion really does just end with their own reading of things -a sounding board of sorts. Additionally, in the past, you have offered to get clarification from TG for people without requiring them to PM you about it, so the change in status quo might be unexpected. Also, maybe people post so that people like George or others (who aren't TG refs but also would be able to help get more needed info) might be able to help out due to their close relationships to the KO planners (assuming they find the concerns to be valid, of course).
Sure, I could call Richie (since I have his number), but I don't know him like you do, nor do I have the platform with him that you do. I don't want to come across as wasting his time or seem intrusive. It's a lot easier for a close friend to ask an honest question than it is for a relative stranger.
Lastly, I don't think anyone on DKF is gonna go to the KO3 and not thank Richie/Jourdan/1up for all their hard work putting it on. I barely knew Richie and Jourdan at all last year, and I was thanking them at KO2 a ton. In the end, the fact that people have concerns is not bad -in fact, it is probably in TG's best interest if they are actually clear on the KO3's schedule, as it probably factors into the popularity of the event. If they don't have all the issues ironed out yet, fair enough, people shouldn't pester. But if they are seriously trying to relay a specific schedule and there seems to be confusion, that seems like a legitimate situation to ask for clarification.
-
Touch penises and walk away.
We'll get there, but we have to measure them first.
-
Jeff's working on a penis touching meme as we speak...
And Mitch, all good points assuming it wasn't just the bitching to bitch that has been going on lately, starting with the last WCR. Its like Rudy and Brian have poisoned the water and we gotta chlorinate this pool STAT.
-
Just give me a dedicated cab and beer and I will be a happy camper :)
-
Why is it that when Dean posts I don't feel that he's complaining? He's asking for clarification of specific wording. Chris p and Dan, it comes off as complaining. You guys think I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not buying it. That was bs and Ken called you on it, and I have to back him up. I don't know why you guys are defending it.
-
Here George, how about this: I was a bitch, and I apologize profusely.
Happy?
Are we done here now?
Because everybody else was.
Or do you have more totally unprovoked shit that you'd like to try and stir up?
-
Why is it that when Dean posts I don't feel that he's complaining? He's asking for clarification of specific wording. Chris p and Dan, it comes off as complaining. You guys think I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not buying it. That was bs and Ken called you on it, and I have to back him up. I don't know why you guys are defending it.
No make no doubt about it Dean is complaining, and probably more than Chris was. It could be because you're being biased. I have no clue. Heck, I'll even show you where he complains.
Dean said "It would be MUCH better if "Last Quarter" was specified (and enforced) throughout the whole competition so that people are not 3/4 of the way to the kill screen when all machines have the plugs pulled or something silly like that.
For example, if play must be halted at 5pm on Friday, should players begin making the decision to not start a new game at around 2pm and just go get some lunch instead?
I think the players just want the timeframes to be well defined ahead of time, regardless of what they may be."
Do you see that? That means. Hey I'm not happy with the current set of rules, and I think it should be this way, because it would be BETTER.
P.S. whatever, if someone complains they complain, if they don't they don't. All I know is that complaining about complaining just leads to more complaining! LOL
-
I think we can all agree that this is all Hank's fault...he started it. :D
-
I'm pleased I only play this title for fun.
-
I'm pleased I only play this title for fun.
Except you're trying to get 1 million points, which would mean you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to do that. Well, who knows, maybe you are one of those S & M guys. ;D (P.S. please don't answer that. :P)
-
I'm pleased I only play this title for fun.
Except you're trying to get 1 million points, which would mean you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to do that. Well, who knows, maybe you are one of those S & M guys. ;D (P.S. please don't answer that. :P)
But I don't plan on submitting any DK scores anywhere, nor have I ever played it for competition except when forced for BOTA 1.
Speaking of which, I haven't played a game in quite awhile...
-
See why can't you guys be more like Robbie Lakeman? Sure he starts trouble wherever he goes, but so what? He has such a good attitude about everything, that it doesn't matter.
-
I'm pleased I only play this title for fun.
Except you're trying to get 1 million points, which would mean you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to do that. Well, who knows, maybe you are one of those S & M guys. ;D (P.S. please don't answer that. :P)
But I don't plan on submitting any DK scores anywhere, nor have I ever played it for competition except when forced for BOTA 1.
Speaking of which, I haven't played a game in quite awhile...
Well, this would be all well and good if you hadn't played Donkey Kong Junior, and Galaxian to the point of becoming very good at both. Both games you admit to hate playing. So the fact is you have played games more than just for fun.
-
I'm pleased I only play this title for fun.
Except you're trying to get 1 million points, which would mean you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to do that. Well, who knows, maybe you are one of those S & M guys. ;D (P.S. please don't answer that. :P)
But I don't plan on submitting any DK scores anywhere, nor have I ever played it for competition except when forced for BOTA 1.
Speaking of which, I haven't played a game in quite awhile...
Well, this would be all well and good if you hadn't played Donkey Kong Junior, and Galaxian to the point of becoming very good at both. Both games you admit to hate playing. So the fact is you have played games more than just for fun.
Neither of which are Donkey Kong.
Both of the ones you mention I had to start playing out of tournament requirement.
However, I like Galaxian now, it grew on me, it is infinitely less boring than Galaga. I play it for fun now. DK Jr.....I only play that when I have to now. Tastes change over time....
-
OK, back on topic to complaining about a tournament paying out 3,000 more dollars than the entry fee assuming your score is high enough to qualify.....
-
See why can't you guys be more like Robbie Lakeman? Sure he starts trouble wherever he goes, but so what? He has such a good attitude about everything, that it doesn't matter.
Now George let's not get carried away here, I don't want to get a good reputation out of this. I also demand sponsorships, commercials, free first class airfare, a luxury suite with both a maid and a butler, and everything else comped for the entire weekend and I will be a happy camper. Oh, and I want my own action figure cause that would be badass.
-
George's post got me to go back and read the posts that bothered me, and I think I figured out what it is that bugged me about them. Dean was very clear and direct. Dan and Chris, not so much. There is an implication behind those two posts that is left unsaid. It's inviting the reader to draw conclusions. 'When you say I hope this is a mistake... but hey it's cool.' you obviously mean it isn't cool. I don't think there should be any surprise at my reaction to wording like that. Dean says something is wrong and doesn't pussy foot around about it. And Dean is asking for clarification about wording that is vague. If you go back and read Chris's post, he's asking for confirmation that what he read is actually what he read. It was passive aggressively questioning the decision to give everyone an extra day of fun. Two entirely different things.
Even his 'apology' to me was the exact opposite of an apology. You don't see this?
-
Neither of which are Donkey Kong.
Both of the ones you mention I had to start playing out of tournament requirement.
However, I like Galaxian now, it grew on me. I play it for fun now. DK Jr.....I only play that when I have to now. Tastes change over time....
Yes, exactly (Neither of which are Donkey Kong). You played games that did not have the status of Donkey Kong that you did not enjoy playing, but you played them anyways until you got very good. So wouldn't it than be reasonable to say if one is playing less popular games "Not for fun", that one would be playing more popular games for ulterior motives than just for fun? And than you talk about not submitting a Donkey Kong score. Heck you submitted your Donkey Kong Junior score, and you hate that game.
You can't have it both ways Steve. You can't say I don't know why I play games I don't like, and then say I only play Donkey Kong for fun. Those two statements go directly against each other. You can't be a snob, and say "I am good at this so, and so game but I don't like playing it." And than be a snob in the other direction, and say "I am good at this so, and so game but I only play for fun."
If you didn't come with an implied attitude that somehow it's nobler to only play games for fun, than yeah I would have let you slid on the statement. But since you come off as hypocritical I am going to call you on it. And to be honest I am probably just as wrong for calling you on it. No one likes to be called to the carpet, and it's a good way to get people not to like you. I just can't help it at times. Some people are grammar dictators, and I just so happen to be a logical fallacy dictator. I need to stop doing that.
So OK, if you want to respond, than so be it. And this will be my last post on why I think your two statements seem paradoxical. I made my point, and going beyond this would be beating a dead horse.
-
Dean says something is wrong and doesn't pussy foot around about it.
See: Zoo Keeper thread. I might want his last post in that thread on my tombstone.
-
Neither of which are Donkey Kong.
Both of the ones you mention I had to start playing out of tournament requirement.
However, I like Galaxian now, it grew on me. I play it for fun now. DK Jr.....I only play that when I have to now. Tastes change over time....
Yes, exactly (Neither of which are Donkey Kong). You played games that did not have the status of Donkey Kong that you did not enjoy playing, but you played them anyways until you got very good. So wouldn't it than be reasonable to say if one is playing less popular games "Not for fun", that one would be playing a more popular games for ulterior motives than just for fun? And than you talk about not submitting a Donkey Kong score. Heck you submitted your Donkey Kong Junior score, and you hate that game.
You can't have it both ways Steve. You can't say I don't know why I play games I don't like, and than say I only play Donkey Kong for fun. Those two statements go against go directly against each other. You can't be a snob, and say "I am good at this so, and so game but I don't like playing it." And than be a snob in the other direction, and say "I am good at this so, and so game but I only play for fun."
If you didn't come with an implied attitude that somehow it's nobler to only play games for fun, than yeah I would have let you slid on the statement. But since you come off as hypocritical I am going to call you on it. And to be honest I am probably just as wrong for calling you on it. No one likes to be called to the carpet, and it's a good way to get people not to like you. I just can't help it at times. Some people are grammar dictators, and I just so happen a logical fallacy dictator. I need to stop doing that.
So OK, if you want to respond, than so be it. And this will be my last post on why I think your two statements seem paradoxical. I made my point, and going beyond this would be beating a dead horse.
I played them because tournaments dictated I play them, most of them didn't take long to be tournament ready on. I certainly did not want to play Popeye last month....I don't understand how this is akin to me playing DK for fun and not for KO3 positioning.
-
For you, Robbie, I'll see what I can do. The rest of you guys can go climb a tree, jump in a lake, and go to hell and suck an egg.
Damn, I really need to start practicing for the swear-off.
Hey I just realized, there could be a swear-off jr for kids.
-
I played them because tournaments dictated I play them, most of them didn't take long to be tournament ready on. I certainly did not want to play Popeye last month....I don't understand how this is akin to me playing DK for fun and not for KO3 positioning.
Ugh, I am going against my word, but you are leaving out one very important thing! You submitted your DONKEY KONG JUNIOR SCORE TO TWIN GALAXIES! YOU SUBMITTED A DONKEY KONG JUNIOR SCORE TO RETROARCADEGAMING. Did you misremember that?
-
I played them because tournaments dictated I play them, most of them didn't take long to be tournament ready on. I certainly did not want to play Popeye last month....I don't understand how this is akin to me playing DK for fun and not for KO3 positioning.
Ugh, I am going against my word, but you are leaving out one very important thing! You submitted your DONKEY KONG JUNIOR SCORE TO TWIN GALAXIES! YOU SUBMITTED A DONKEY KONG JUNIOR SCORE TO RETROARCADEGAMING. Did you misremember that?
I played live at Richie's on New Years Eve during his arcade closing as he asked me to, he then submitted on my behalf. I'm still not sure what this has to do with my not being involved in KO3 positioning.
-
I played live at Richie's on New Years Eve during his arcade closing as he asked me to, he then submitted on my behalf. I'm still not sure what this has to do with my not being involved in KO3 positioning.
This has NOTHING to do with KO3 positioning. This has EVERYTHING to do with your statement "I only play Donkey Kong for fun".
-
There is no problem that DKjr Math can't solve.
-
You see for years, and years I have had to put up with your constant nagging, and complaining about Donkey Kong Junior, and how you hate to play it. So yeah, when you start this garbage about how you only play Donkey Kong for fun, I am going to have a real big issue with it. had you had kept your complaints about Donkey Kong Junior to a minimum, and how much you hated playing this game, I would not have an issue with the "I only played for fun" side. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that through the years you have insulted many Donkey Kong Junior players with your I am good at the game, but I despise playing it attitude. Too many people have spent hundreds of hours mastering that game for that kind of attitude.
-
I played live at Richie's on New Years Eve during his arcade closing as he asked me to, he then submitted on my behalf. I'm still not sure what this has to do with my not being involved in KO3 positioning.
This has NOTHING to do with KO3 positioning. This has EVERYTHING to do with your statement "I only play Donkey Kong for fun".
Too general? I'll rephrase....I'm glad I'm not caught up in the KO3 positioning and when I do play Donkey Kong it is for personal achievement and not with the intent of submission.
-
You see for years, and years I have had to put up with your constant nagging, and complaining about Donkey Kong Junior, and how you hate to play it. So yeah, when you start this garbage about how you only play Donkey Kong for fun, I am going to have a real big issue with it. had you had kept your complaints about Donkey Kong Junior to a minimum, and how much you hated playing this game, I would not have an issue with the "I only played for fun" side. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that through the years you have insulted many Donkey Kong Junior players with your I am good at the game, but I despise playing it attitude. Too many people have spent hundreds of hours mastering that game for that kind of attitude.
I had no idea I had such a fan club of DK Jr afficienados. I learn something new everyday on the DKF.
At the risk of further derail....feel free to move this around to the DK Jr forum mods. Seeing as how another DK post has been transformed via DKJr math....
-
Ah, the truth comes out. George is holding a grudge against Steve for insulting junior.
What is with the need you and Brian have to defend DKjr, George? If I say DKjr sucks, and I do, I'm not insulting anyone. It's my opinion. If you said Q*Bert sucks I could care less. And I've played 100s upon 100s of hours of it. And that's not hyperbole with me, it's literal.
-
There is no problem that DKjr Math can't solve.
I remember that game, but I don't remember solving matrix algebra, or diffy-q problems with it. :)
-
I played live at Richie's on New Years Eve during his arcade closing as he asked me to, he then submitted on my behalf. I'm still not sure what this has to do with my not being involved in KO3 positioning.
This has NOTHING to do with KO3 positioning. This has EVERYTHING to do with your statement "I only play Donkey Kong for fun".
Too general? I'll rephrase....I'm glad I'm not caught up in the KO3 positioning and when I do play Donkey Kong it is for personal achievement and not with the intent of submission.
OK, sounds good. Truce. 8)
-
There is no problem that DKjr Math can't solve.
I remember that game, but I don't remember solving matrix algebra, or diffy-q problems with it. :)
Maybe not with DKjr Math the game, but with DKjr Math as a way of life, anything is possible.
-
Ah, the truth comes out. George is holding a grudge against Steve for insulting junior.
What is with the need you and Brian have to defend DKjr, George? If I say DKjr sucks, and I do, I'm not insulting anyone. It's my opinion. If you said Q*Bert sucks I could care less. And I've played 100s upon 100s of hours of it. And that's not hyperbole with me, it's literal.
But it's not the same. Let's say I got a 30 million point score on Q*Bert, and I came out with "I despised every second I played it". Than, let's say I get 280k on Fix It Felix Junior, and I see an argument about it, and I chime in with "You know I only play this game for fun." Than yeah, it becomes the same analogy. You are telling me you wouldn't be a tad bit peeved if someone did that?
-
"I'm glad I'm not caught up in the KO3 positioning and when I do play Donkey Kong it is for personal achievement and not with the intent of submission."
Me too. I played a game of Drunkey Kong at the end of the night last night while having a deep conversation about Robotron and chaos. One friend, actually that guy Nader who pissed everyone off at the Williams' tourney with his unsportsmanlike behavior, is convinced that Robotron always gives him an out, a chance to survive. We were discussing whether this is in the programming or only in his perception. He also thinks that if he plays a casual game of Arkanoid, that the power ups fall much more often, but if he goes for a big game, the game gets stingy. I think unlike moods this could very well be part of the programming. It would be simple for a programmer to add certain triggers which dial back the difficulty of the game in that way. And he's no Arkanoid slouch, either; he's had 1.3M on his best game.
I got like 153k or something. Two fireball deaths at the top right ladder on two different cement factory boards. I don't remember where the other two deaths were, I'm guessing barrels. My favorite is when the cement factory fucks me, but I manage to unfuck myself. That happened a few times and always feels great.
I can't see playing DK any other way. Maybe if its in the BotA again I'll play it sober. Playing for the team makes a game fun.
-
And he's no Arkanoid slouch, either; he's had 1.3M on his best game.
Awesome. I can finish it probably about 1 in every 3 games but I can't crack 900k yet. Does he just leave one brick and shoot enemies for a long time? That seems like such a slow process. Also, I suppose if he's bringing many lives to the last stage killing yourself off a number of times before the last hit can run up the score pretty well, especially if it is in a good mood that day and you get many extra man pills.
-
Well personally although I play for more than fun, and I do like to submit, and compete with others on this game, and although it would be cool to be even in the hunt for the top 12 spots, I am happy I don't have the stress that people from position 20 to 8 have on this game. Pressure can suck big time. I would rather be in the top 20, than not, but still there is a benefit in not having to deal with that stress.
-
No George, it would not bother me, not in the slightest. But then again I've played Fix it Felix a total of 14 times in my life so far. 5 at Richie's, 3 in San Diego and 6 at home. And half of those home games I killed off early, they were experiments.
But that aside, why would it bother me if you said you just play Fix it Felix for fun? Because in the hypothetical example its easy for you but you don't take it seriously, and for me it's hard work and I take it very seriously? I don't see why I'm supposed to be bothered with your casual skill. If anything I would be impressed at your quick and easy mastery of a title. That's a skill that always impresses me, and part of the reason I look up to gamers like Steve and Ben and Don. The skill of picking up a game, any game quickly is something I'd like to continue to develop.
-
Yeah Steve, he watched Zack Hample play and learned that you have to leave one brick and hunt enemies for a long time to have a big big game. He's not a big fan of doing it, but if he wants to break 1.4 or 1.5, he knows that's what he has to do. And yeah you need to take many men to the end. Every man nets you another 15k at the end. So not dying and getting lots of good mood extra life power ups are necessary for a big score on that title.
-
You know there was one person in a competitive field who eventually railed against the game he played. He even went on to say the game was played out, and people had to do all kinds of things just to get him to play this game.
His name was Bobby Fischer. People universally respected his game play, but they also thought of him as jerk for doing so. Now I probably should mention, that people thought of him as a jerk before he ripped on America, and was happy about 9/11, and before he became an outlaw for playing that chess match in Serbia.
Edit: And I think before his anti-semitic remarks that he made in the 80's. Now looking back at it. Bobby Fischer was a world class tool. Very bad analogy. Steve on the other hand is pretty cool guy except he hates a few games he is very good. Sorry for the comparison.
-
I came off as complaining? Seriously? I stated I was going to get with Richie and Cat regarding the hotel question I had (That was all that was about) and I was that its cool with me it gives the Top 12 another day of playing because I think they deserve it. I didn't mean it like "Well ok that sucks and is total BS but its cool with me" as some half-hearted comment I mean it. I think its a great idea for it to start on Friday for everyone. I was supporting that so if it didn't come across that way I'll make sure its clearer next time.
At this point I'm just pondering how the WC scores play out with the WCR tournaments is all I am curious about and I'll just wait for some clarification on that. If my post seemed to come across as "complaining" I'll be a lot more clear in my statements so I don't leave it up to interpretation as there was honestly ZERO complaint in my post and is why I even said "Game on..."
For any questions I may have I am grateful that they are putting this contest on and do understand it is costing a good amount of money to them. That is not lost on me for one second. I think its a GREAT event and I have attended both KO1 and KO2. I even paid for the VIP pass and bought marquees and shirts and stuff I did to support this event and because I really wanted it.
I think I am coming across as whining about this or that to you George when its really just been about some clarification on specific questions that I was curious about since I know that some people here can talk to the coordinators directly. (Ok maybe a little on why mame should count but I was trying to bring honest discussion to that topic just from my POV). I am engaged but only because I do enjoy this community and I am a somewhat passionate person but if I have come across as a "Whiny bitch" I want to apologize to everyone right now because that has NEVER been my intention. My post in this thread especially because it was meant to be a complement about how the Top 12 get another day to play which is very cool to me and it makes the event 3 days so people can hang out more. I am looking forward to that at this point more then playing DK.
Why is it that when Dean posts I don't feel that he's complaining? He's asking for clarification of specific wording. Chris p and Dan, it comes off as complaining. You guys think I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not buying it. That was bs and Ken called you on it, and I have to back him up. I don't know why you guys are defending it.
-
Right. I see how I misinterpreted your comments, Dan. I thought you were saying it's cool when you really didn't think it was cool.
And sorry for the confusion of my saying Ken called you and Chris out on bs. I didn't know Ken was just referring to Chris' post and shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
-
Dan's BOTA card is still accepted ;D
-
Fix it Felix Jr, lol. I can killscreen that game anytime I play it, and yes it is for fun. :) What ticks me off about it has to do with how many legit re-breaks you get while point pressing. One time, I was 2000+ points over where Dan was, and then after a couple levels I was short 4000 points. I stopped playing because I starting thinking that mine and Dan's score on the game is probably high end on the point pressing spectrum and that a 300K game may not be achievable. I like the game, it is fun, and there is almost always a solution without dying at all, and it is neat to figure that out, but what I hate is having to play it for 3 hours just to fail yet again, because the game gave you less rebreaks. I starting restarting if I didn't have a certain amount of points at the start of a certain level. Then in the end, I decided to settle for 2000 points short of Dan only because of the amount of time that was required and the fact that it is more of a kids game really because any game that easy could not have been designed for a adult audience. Same thing for NES DK, I could inch it up but what is the point? Sometimes, it isn't about the highest score, but rather about the highest scores that shows that a player is decent. Think about DK. Several years from now if we keep getting 1M point games then maybe one day someone could be listed as number 30 and have a million point game. Anyways, off topic, but I saw Fix it Felix, and had to vent. :)
-
There is a way to maximize your points in a shorter time on Felix. If you guys haven't figured it out by the Kong-Off, I'll show you when we're all together. You guys may already know what it is, and are still waiting around extra long on boards hoping for more broken windows anyway, For all I know. Like I said, I've only played the game 14 times so far. I've been in a situation where I had to kill myself to get to the last window on a board twice, I think.
But yeah, it doesn't really matter how fast you get your points, because of the random element of the game. Although there is still one more experiment I want to try, a theory that needs testing before I totally give up on finding a strategy to the game and just settle into having to play it often enough to beat the odds, Ms. Pac style.
I have to say I also considered the same thing about 300k being the ceiling on the game. I scored 299,800, and it really got me wondering. But I haven't played it enough to say that with any certainty.
-
To be honest I didn't think that 299,800 was possible. Once you get passed the first couple levels there is a max of 4 rebreaks that occur on every scene. So I stopped waiting longer because I was sure I saw 4 rebreaks. I know that with a strong level of certainty, so I tried to clear all the half breaks first and tried to leave the completely broken windows since they can be broke again. Though I don't know with certainty that the game may still "try to break this window" and have that count as one of your four rebreaks. I also tried to wait to grab the pie until the very end so that all the breaks are not forced early on while a lot of the windows are still broken. I would need to see a situation that you can't get out of other than not playing safe enough or getting stuck in an area but you can jump, as oppose to hop, to the next window and land right in the middle and hop up right between two clumps of broken bricks lodged between the sills. If I remember correctly you jump and then press over to do the perfect jump over. It took me a few games to fully learn the movement possibilities of Felix. I was trying to push over first and then jump or push over and jump at the same time, and nope, it does not work that way. :)
-
I find it ubercool that George got exactly what I was referring to regarding FIFJr and Ms. Pac Man. :)
-
Yeah you know it, half breaks first. I'll upload video of the last ten minutes of the 299,800 game when I get a chance later. Pretty sure I've had more than four extra breaks on scenes beyond the fourth level. I felt that saving a pie for last actually cost me points. Not sure why that would be, but it did seem like that to me.
I had a board with two solid windowsills I couldn't move below, and then two boulders on the first and second level. Then got a new broken window on the bottom row, in between. Couldn't jump down to it, couldn't jump over the boulder without hitting my head.
I do still have one more theory to test though. Before settling down into Ms. Pac banana mode. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
Also I guess I should let you guys know, when TG starts tracking "arcade-style pc games" one of the rules will be only scores done with I-Pac or J-Pac control panel interfaces will be accepted. No USB, xarcade, keyboard etc will count. I think this will keep things competitive and interesting, since we won't be able to just sit at home and play a million times. And just to keep it fair, like I've said, I'll only submit a score if I do it at a live event. A score I get on any random weekend night at Richie's I won't count, even if I break 300k.
And just so you know, I didn't suggest the rules for the TG track. There's a whole community of programmers that make Arcade-style pc games, Felix is just the most popular. The top guys from that community recommended the using a real arcade control panel rule.
-
And just to keep it fair, like I've said, I'll only submit a score if I do it at a live event. A score I get on any random weekend night at Richie's I won't count, even if I break 300k.
Wow, that is ultra hardcore. That is a new level I haven't seen before.
Here are the levels.
Level 1: Those that believe that all scores should count, even those that are phoned in. Twin Galaxies was this way in 1982, but found out quickly this isn't the smartest thing.
Level 2: Those that believe all scores should count, but some video or referee has to be there for evidence.
Level 3: Those that believe only MAME, and Arcade scores should count, and some INP, video, or Ref has to be there per TG rules. (I fall into this level)
Level 4: Those that believe only Arcade scores should count
Level 5: Those that believe only live Arcade scores should count
Level 6: Those that believe only live event Arcade scores should count (George Leutz in regards to his own scores. Not too sure if he believes this should be a policy for all scores)
-
Yeah that is hardcore. See I don't have any issues with you posting a 400k score you get at Richies sir. You earned it on the cab so that is worthy of recognizing :)
-
And if you get it at home either post away! There was never any TG tracking of it so I just did it for the heck of it. IF they track it then go for it! :D