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General Donkey Kong Discussion => The Kong Off => Topic started by: JimmyNails on April 06, 2019, 08:57:51 pm
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Ladies and gentlemen!!
It is time to announce the Australian Kong Off 3!!!!
And there could not be a better time as the competitive Donkey Kong scene is well and truly alive right now.
Kong Off 7 was ran in Banning, California over March 15th to 17th with new winner Jeff Wolfe taking the crown.
On the very same weekend, John McCurdy set a new world record with a score of 1,249,500 jumping over Robbie Lakemans score by just 1,800 points.
And finally we have a new Australian record holder in Matt Tecchio. After attending his first Kong Off at Netherworld last year and finishing 3rd, Matt achieved his first kill screen several months later then threw up 930,700 recently to take the Australian crown from Shane Sawle and Allen Staal. Matt is tracking for a million plus score any day and is going to make the Kong Off 3 competition tougher then ever.
Australian Kong Off 3 is one of the biggest arcade events in the country so expect to see fun times, high scores, kill screens and arcade royalty.
Tickets are $45 and include two Ekka gate passes, unlimited qualifying attempts (fair pay rule abides) and a limited edition pin by Luke Sheild. Luke has also done a killer job on the poster artwork so expect to see more from him including marquees, t-shirts and custom side art.
The Australian Kong Off 3 will also be hosted by none other then Kong Off founder and arcade legend, Richie Knucklez. Richie will be bringing along his daughter Faith also who is one of the best female Dk players on the planet.
All the action will be live on Twitch hosted by local arcade legend Phil Day.
Presented by Hutchinson Builders, Richie Knucklez and Netherworld
Tickets on sale from Tuesday the 16th of April at midday. Lot's of information at bnepac.org
Tickets at - www.eventbrite.com/e/australian-kong-off-3-tickets-54968782107
Or if you are going to attend both KO3 and the AAC see this link - www.eventbrite.com/e/kong-off-3-aac-combo-tickets-59632283766
Already counting the sleeps mates!!
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I reckon this thread deserves a bump about now. One month to go and I'm excited! Can't wait to go and log a dodgy score, then go check out the huge pigs and pumpkins at the Show.
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Allen pls.
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Unfortunately for several reasons, this will probably go down as the low lights of Aussie Kong Off's.
Disappointing aspects for me personally:
1. Some players *cough* Billy *cough* ignored the rules and sat on a machine after a start without letting others get on to try to qualify. This isn't a USA Kong Off, you don't get a dedicated machine - you get a L5 start and bomb out, you get off the machine and let someone else play. Ref's either didn't know, or didn't enforce the rules, or were probably too keen to suck Billy to tell him that he wasn't above the rules of the competition
2. Was streamed on Billy's channel and left for others to host it - wtf was that all about? Guessing it was a "demand" of Billy's - he needed more than a free trip to Australia - he needed a twitch stream which had banned so many people who called him out rightfully as a liar and a cheat.
3. Billy complaining about "hostility" in the crowd - there wasn't any - he is a cheat, we know he is a cheat, but no one was hostile towards him.
4. Billy crying in the final match about having to play on a machine he hadn't played on all weekend - thankfully they didn't move around machines just to suit this twat.
If Kong Off's are to move forward, they need to get rid of this muppet once and for all - he is a cheat, couldn't give 2 shits what he did for the community - the end does not, and will never justify the means.
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Couldn't agree more!!!
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Unfortunately for several reasons, this will probably go down as the low lights of Aussie Kong Off's.
Disappointing aspects for me personally:
1. Some players *cough* Billy *cough* ignored the rules and sat on a machine after a start without letting others get on to try to qualify. This isn't a USA Kong Off, you don't get a dedicated machine - you get a L5 start and bomb out, you get off the machine and let someone else play. Ref's either didn't know, or didn't enforce the rules, or were probably too keen to suck Billy to tell him that he wasn't above the rules of the competition
2. Was streamed on Billy's channel and left for others to host it - wtf was that all about? Guessing it was a "demand" of Billy's - he needed more than a free trip to Australia - he needed a twitch stream which had banned so many people who called him out rightfully as a liar and a cheat.
3. Billy complaining about "hostility" in the crowd - there wasn't any - he is a cheat, we know he is a cheat, but no one was hostile towards him.
4. Billy crying in the final match about having to play on a machine he hadn't played on all weekend - thankfully they didn't move around machines just to suit this twat.
5. Going by the bracket as it was shown in the Twitch channel, they used a non-standard seeding arrangement until they realized it was going to negatively affect Billy. Then, and only then, did they rearrange it.
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How the hell do you get away with rearranging the bracket after head to head matches have been played? I have never seen anything like that in my life. I don't know who's decision that was ultimately but that is shameful
Congrats to Barra and Allen. I know they didn't have the games they were hoping for but they still did an awesome job for the weekend.
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I don't get what you guys are bitching about. Richie and so many others work hard to put this event together. Walter and Billy were brought out because they have name recognition, they know how to present themselves, and despite the whole controversy they were major stars in an indie film which still makes them marketable. Their names are linked to Donkey Kong, and if it weren't for them, Donkey Kong wouldn't have been as competitive as it has been for all these years.
I get why you guys wanted to destroy Billy's reputation and credibility, but what I don't get is why you guys bitch about it when I don't see any of you guys doing the hard work to put together your own events. You guys won for fucks sake! What more do you want? For the Kong Off's to stop? You guys know damn well Richie is good buddies with Walter and Billy, so of course he is going to include them, of course he is going to tap into Billy to help draw attention to it. If that bothers you, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! It seems like you guys just want this entire community to just die off. But if removing Billy is your goal I can't see why you guys can't create your own events. Promote them, and slap some sort of celebrity into the mix. What's the point of this forum if you guys can't even unite to do something positive, it seems you can only unite when it comes to destroying people, and before you get into the semantics of that, you guys did destroy Billy's reputation - whether that is good or bad is up to interpretation. Outside of that, if you aren't going to do anything about it, then shut up about it.
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you guys did destroy Billy's reputation
FailFish
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you guys did destroy Billy's reputation
FailFish
Let's not get side tracked with semantics. All I see is a bunch of bitter pills shitting all over an event so many people worked hard to put together, but not doing anything about it like doing something positive. I swear to God, you guys enjoy cannibalizing yourselves. Billy put you all on the map, you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him, if the Kong Off is not good enough for you guys start your own event, otherwise shut up about it. :)
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you guys did destroy Billy's reputation
FailFish
Let's not get side tracked with semantics. All I see is a bunch of bitter pills shitting all over an event so many people worked hard to put together, but not doing anything about it like doing something positive about it. I swear God, you guys enjoy cannibalizing yourselves. Billy put you all on the map, you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him, if the Kong Off is not good enough for you guys start your own event, otherwise shut up about it. :)
Well, I did start playing DK after hearing how BM cheated, so I guess I should thank him for bringing a great game to my attention that way.
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you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him
ROFL
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On a side note I am interested in hearing about the controversy that happened. Being that this is Richie's event and that he is friends with them he can run the event as he see's fit, if they relaxed the rules for Billy, then I agree that isn't fair, but Richie puts alot of sweat and blood into these events maybe he had a reason for doing so?
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you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him
ROFL
Laugh all you want but this community continues to go into a downward spiral, yet has failed to remove the tumor it claims has held it back.
The Kong Off event is all this place has left, so unless someone else steps up, this community continues to rely on Billy Mitchell for attention
which is sad because you all agree he is a cancer, complain about him, took action but can't seem to move on.
I would love to see this community succeed and do things to unite the entire community, if the goal is to do it without Billy then do it!
But from what I been hearing nothing has happened...I just been watching as you guys pray the Kong Off dies which is just sad.
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you guys did destroy Billy's reputation
FailFish
Let's not get side tracked with semantics. All I see is a bunch of bitter pills shitting all over an event so many people worked hard to put together, but not doing anything about it like doing something positive. I swear to God, you guys enjoy cannibalizing yourselves. Billy put you all on the map, you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him, if the Kong Off is not good enough for you guys start your own event, otherwise shut up about it. :)
I didn't even know who the hell Billy was when I got into classic arcade gaming so your point is invalid billy fanboy lol. once I got some playing around $$$ and have a house I reckon I will host my own live events as I see fit
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you guys did destroy Billy's reputation
FailFish
Let's not get side tracked with semantics. All I see is a bunch of bitter pills shitting all over an event so many people worked hard to put together, but not doing anything about it like doing something positive. I swear to God, you guys enjoy cannibalizing yourselves. Billy put you all on the map, you guys exposed him and distanced yourself from him, if the Kong Off is not good enough for you guys start your own event, otherwise shut up about it. :)
I didn't even know who the hell Billy was when I got into classic arcade gaming so your point is invalid billy fanboy lol. once I got some playing around $$$ and have a house I reckon I will host my own live events as I see fit
Oh I'm not a Billy fan boy. I had my own reasons for defending him in the past but I am beyond that now. My only issue with what's going on here is so many of my friends and others are distancing themselves from the community. I know Richie is working hard to try to unite everyone, unfortunately as far as you are all concerned, as long as Billy is attached to these events, things will continue to drop further with the community. Richie and Billy are two sides of the same coin, meaning they're good friends and brothers, both have done alot for the other, so it's illogical to ever see the divide the community would like to see. Same goes for Walter and Billy.
I think a few people have boycotted the Kong Off's, then there are people like Wes, who was banned, and others who like to stick it to the event who are great players. But wouldn't it be great to be able to get all these folks playing again in one place like it was before. That would be nice. And no more discussion about Billy, let him do his thing else where, while those who are the top players take the spot light. That was a few people's motivators for the entire Billy dispute, so many players complained how they worked hard only to remain a shadow behind Billy who was tied to an event where the star was the top player.
I got no issue with Billy, so I'm trying to tread water safely here, however I can see alot of people's point in this community and I get it. So if you are trying to start your own Kong event that would be great! I hope you succeed and hope it reinvigorates the community again.
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Australia has a long history of Cons being shipped off to the island. A con winning it seems fitting.
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How the hell do you get away with rearranging the bracket after head to head matches have been played? I have never seen anything like that in my life. I don't know who's decision that was ultimately but that is shameful
Congrats to Barra and Allen. I know they didn't have the games they were hoping for but they still did an awesome job for the weekend.
If I recall correctly the this happened at the first Kong Off in Pittsburgh (KO4?). It's more than likely due to someone not knowing how a bracket actually works after round 1. The NCAA basketball tourney would be a great example for them to use going forward. 16 teams (in this case people). The bracket they showed after the 1st round was incorrect as well as the corrected bracket later on. My goodness at times they were showing two players in the stream that weren't actually playing head to head. The player names were incorrect a few times. Where there a lot of things that need to be corrected? Yes. The bottom line is that the Aussie Kong Off is good for anyone who plays DK. It's exposure. I can't wait for the next Kong Klash in a couple of months. I love all these events.
I try and stir clear form the drama which at times is hard to do. I don't think anyone conspired for a Billy Mitchell victory. He beat Barra, Billy Jr (not a popular thing at home I bet) and Shane in order. He used bottom hammer vs running boards which was very risky play. He won the event. It's okay if you don't like him or the outcome but he won this fair and square.
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Why is Wes banned from attending Kong Off?
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It's more than likely due to someone not knowing how a bracket actually works after round 1. The NCAA basketball tourney would be a great example for them to use going forward. 16 teams (in this case people). The bracket they showed after the 1st round was incorrect as well as the corrected bracket later on. My goodness at times they were showing two players in the stream that weren't actually playing head to head. The player names were incorrect a few times.
Looking back at the bracket in the video, I will concede they did the right thing.
Nobody was negatively affected before the semifinals by the way the draw was listed. In the first round (the round of 16), nobody in the top half of the seeding played each other. In the quarterfinals, none of the top 4 seeds played each other. It would have been wrong to make #2 seed Billy play the #1 seed in the semifinals just because the chart was wrong. They did the right thing in fixing it.
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Why is Wes banned from attending Kong Off?
Wasn't he banned for streaming a world record attempt during a Kong Off, in order to pull attention away from it, which in turn upset Richie?
I might be wrong, but also I'm pretty sure Wes already had his mind set on boycotting anyways because of money issues from a prior event.
In anycase there are people who claimed to be boycotting the events due to Billy. So there is that.
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Wasn't he banned for streaming a world record attempt during a Kong Off, in order to pull attention away from it, which in turn upset Richie?
Has serphintizer been notified of his ban?
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Robbie streamed during this Kong Off, thus doing the very thing he got all pissy over Wes doing during KO6. Does that mean Robbie is now also banned from future KOs?
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Checkmate, atheists.
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Wasn't he banned for streaming a world record attempt during a Kong Off, in order to pull attention away from it, which in turn upset Richie?
Has serphintizer been notified of his ban?
I don't know if they banned him. I haven't heard anything, nor do I think they would as it would further cripple things. Wes had some bad blood.
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Robbie streamed during this Kong Off, thus doing the very thing he got all pissy over Wes doing during KO6. Does that mean Robbie is now also banned from future KOs?
I was streaming from GameOn Expo where I was a featured guest, because I actually get invited places. Don’t be stupid.
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My thoughts are Donkey Kong isn't about Billy Mitchell.
Steve Wiebe was the first million point player, it would be good to see all of the good players at a Kong Off, Billy Mitchell is a coat-tail rider, besides Pac-Man what else was he good at?
He'd get his arse handed to him if all of the good players bothered to turn up.
I have been on the fence with all of this Billy Mitchell cheating/Mame drama from the past but this last weekend did it for me, he's self-centered, out for himself, his mannerisms don't reflect what comes out of his mouth, he's full of shit.
Gamer of last century.
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My thoughts are Donkey Kong isn't about Billy Mitchell.
Steve Weibe was the first million point player, it would be good to see all of the good players at a Kong Off, Billy Mitchell is a coat-tail rider, besides Pac-Man what else was he good at?
That's really the issue here, the good players that have read all the evidence don't want to attend, apart from Rob, who know something we other don't know... yet.... if ever???
It's been 8 weeks, when team BM wrote "in 3 week's there will be evidence put forth"
How damning it might be for others in freeing Billy from all accusations, I don't know, but something irritates me, that the reason it ain't puth forth yet, is simply because it won't help him,it will only make the damage worse - so he wouldn't be invited to events like the AUS KO3, and to other events - This is of course pure speculation, but it fits...
BM has become a good DK player, but in 07/08 someone was better, and he cheated to steal the limelight.
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It's been 8 weeks, when team BM wrote "in 3 week's there will be evidence put forth"
<Billy> "Here's a riddle for you. You know how to keep a bunch of losers in suspense?"
Kappa Kreygasm <YSG> Kappa "No, Billy, how?"
<Billy> "I'll tell you in 3 weeks."
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In my post I may have come across as harsh. I agree I am not doing anything to promote the game.
I don't know a single member of this community, so I am nocommenting on any individual here. I only got into this game this year and my interest had nothing to do with the scandal or King of Kong (which I have never seen.)
I come from a sporting background, so seeing a bracket change like that is shocking to me from an administrative point of view, if it doesn't bother the players, so be it.
Personally, I was disappointed in the stream. I don't care what channel it was on, I care about the content. I am severely hearing impaired and to tune in and see 2 guys talking that I have no idea what they are saying is frustrating. I wanted to see some of the great Donkey Kong being played. Even when they were trying to show game play there were multiple issues. At on point, one camera was aimed way from the cabinet monitor and we saw the frame of the cabinet. I just think that could have gone much better.
I am glad there is someone arranging these live events. The community does need them.
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First, congrats to the Aussie Kong Off 3 organizers - I didn't get a chance to tune it, but it's always fantastic to see fellow gamers come together to celebrate and compete on a classic title.
Hector, I agree, maybe the next phase is a new "Kong Off" competition, or a community decision to designate an existing DK competition as the destination for players who want to see what happens with a BM-free event. Logistically, I think it's a steep hill to climb, whatever issues arose from time to time Richie made a KO possible year after year, I don't see anyone right now doing all the work he does to create an alternative KO. I'd disagree that the KO is the only thing that DKF has going for it - hang out a bit longer, you'll see that there's life before and after a KO event that isn't KO-focused. And while BM surfaces here and there, the community has by and large moved on, as it should be. Onwards and upwards. I would guarantee you that after BM releases the results of his professional investigation, you'll rarely if ever hear of BM again on DKF and other platforms. It's the only thing, and truly relevant thing, that's left - see Weehawk's post.
I missed that BM promised new evidence fairly recently. I've lost track of how many times I've heard this, I think most have stopped tuning in - it's turned into the boy who cried wolf situation now. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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I'd like to congratulate the (at least) 15 players that scored higher in this Aussie Kong Off than in their previous appearances:
Sean Tagg
Greg Pell
Shaun Ruhland
Chris Jennings
Derek Broadfoot
Aaron Raynor
Neil Cairns
Luke Bushell
Charlie Milne
Mike Coolican
Adam Williams
Steven Riding
Marc Bell
Rhi Coolican
David Clarke
I obviously have a lot to say about everything else, but at the end of the day it's us vs. the monkey, and these players stepped up in a tournament setting. I don't know if these are all PBs for these players, but they all did a great job regardless. Congrats!
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Laugh all you want but this community continues to go into a downward spiral, yet has failed to remove the tumor it claims has held it back.
The Kong Off event is all this place has left, so unless someone else steps up, this community continues to rely on Billy Mitchell for attention
which is sad because you all agree he is a cancer, complain about him, took action but can't seem to move on.
I would love to see this community succeed and do things to unite the entire community, if the goal is to do it without Billy then do it!
But from what I been hearing nothing has happened...I just been watching as you guys pray the Kong Off dies which is just sad.
You might want to spend a bit more time with the community before deciding that you're an expert on what it does. In the past six months alone we've had the following events:
- Battle of the Arcades (Live event)
- BotA AU/NZ (Live event)
- Yolympics (Online event)
- Marp T16 (Online event)
- CT11 (Online event)
- Summer Yolo (Online event)
In addition we've supported individual gamers working on thing like:
- New WR on Donkey Kong
- New WR and marathons on Excitebike
- New strats on DKJr
- Random Galaga BS
- Continued making fun of DK3
- etc.
All of this done without drama, by the community and for the community. No one got accused of cheating in any of our events. No one rage quit one of our events. No one got accused of fleecing donations from any of our events. We've had more new members join the community in the past year on our discord server than have gone to all of the Kong Offs combined.
Just because the drama crowd doesn't actually participate with the hobby or the community don't think that the rest of us haven't move forward. If anything it's the drama crowd who is still in the past and keep trying to drag this community back with it.
You're more than welcome to participate and move forward with us.
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I don't get what you guys are bitching about. Richie and so many others work hard to put this event together. Walter and Billy were brought out because they have name recognition, they know how to present themselves, and despite the whole controversy they were major stars in an indie film which still makes them marketable. Their names are linked to Donkey Kong, and if it weren't for them, Donkey Kong wouldn't have been as competitive as it has been for all these years.
I get why you guys wanted to destroy Billy's reputation and credibility, but what I don't get is why you guys bitch about it when I don't see any of you guys doing the hard work to put together your own events. You guys won for fucks sake! What more do you want? For the Kong Off's to stop? You guys know damn well Richie is good buddies with Walter and Billy, so of course he is going to include them, of course he is going to tap into Billy to help draw attention to it. If that bothers you, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! It seems like you guys just want this entire community to just die off. But if removing Billy is your goal I can't see why you guys can't create your own events. Promote them, and slap some sort of celebrity into the mix. What's the point of this forum if you guys can't even unite to do something positive, it seems you can only unite when it comes to destroying people, and before you get into the semantics of that, you guys did destroy Billy's reputation - whether that is good or bad is up to interpretation. Outside of that, if you aren't going to do anything about it, then shut up about it.
Good lord. The guy cheated. For years. He stole recognition from other people so he could succeed. If this were any other kind of competition, he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near an event. If these events want to be more legitimate, they have to stop inviting him to compete in them, and they definitely have to stop letting him compete while giving him special treatment like they did at this event. It de-legitimizes the whole thing. And quit blaming his critics. They didn't cheat. They aren't lying about it. Nothing bad that happens at these events or to this community is because of them. Billy is the one who caused all this and continues to lie and perpetuate it for the sake of his own livelihood, his own paychecks and notoriety, and the paychecks and notoriety of his friends and family. He will literally walk over any you for the sake his own success and self preservation. Do you respect him? Have no doubt that he would step on every aspect of your existence if he thought he had to in order to keep his place. That is a fact.
At Gen Con in Indiana recently, my friend witnessed him attempting to get a perfect Pacman score, and when the machine lost power he threw a tantrum, hitting the game and cussing everyone out. Over a video game. What a class act. He must hate doing all this shit at this point, but it's his job. All he's got is his charisma, and when his patience is rattled the real Billy comes out. This is the dude you are defending. A cheating prick. And yet the community is the problem, not Billy. Right.
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Billy Mitchell is a BM. I don't care how good you are at something. If you're an entitled prick who has been proven to be a cheater, you can rot. Giving someone special treatment at a tournament (not a convention or expo) is a real mistake **EDIT: ...even if you're a player with a sterling reputation let alone one who's a purported cheater**. If Billy said, "let me sit on a machine and let it be the one that the finals are played on or else I dont' show" then they should've said "Sorry Bill"
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This might not be an apples to apples to comparison, but i'd like to say why i quit magic the gathering for 7 years, as how past time games did things reminds to me feels simliar to how people are now responding to the kong off
pasttime games ran (probably still runs) magic events at gencon. All weekend long they NUMEROUS times changed the rules in the middle because what they agreed to wasnt as beneficial to them as they hoped
1. alot of people simply showed up to their gencon event on hopes of a very expensive draft -- winners of prior events would have the right to enter another high profile event with crazy expensive packs (cards) invovled. alot of people bought tickets for that reason alone. then once the evnet started "ooops we didnt know the packs were that expensive we're now swapping out the most expensive one of all with the cheapest one, but dont worry all the other packs stay".
2. for their side events there was a display case with prizes under lock and key. me and my friends entered an event and paid the price because of the prizes of course. we came in 1st and 2nd, and we went to claim our prize it was gone. they acted like it was an unavoidable mistake, but again they were under lock and key on dispaly as the prizes and we're to belive they just went missing? heck we even looked over a few feet away and saw the same prizes on dispay for $70, but they told us we could pick any $30 dollar prize since thats the value. so they swapped out the expensive prize for signficantly lower store credit, lied about the prize going missing, and lied about the value despite their own value for it being displayed in plain site
3. for yet another event they did seem to make an honest mistake of shortchanging everyone who basically won a small prize, with a smaller prize -- so swapping out $10 prize for $5 for example. those of who complaine were compensated but no announcement was made for the people who didnt realize or were timid. so they'd only correct the mistake to the few who went out of their way to insist on payment but noone else.
look we're nerds, we complain alot, but we keep going back. the one line though, is when you take time of work, drive a few hundred miles, pay 100s of dollars for a hotel room (ok fine i might've paid more because the only hotel in the area that allowed pets was kinda pricey), pay for the events only to have the rules changed (prize swapped) after they took your money then yeah, that theft. and with that sort of fraud, yes i stopped going.
richie needs to take this one seriously. people will bitch and moan about billy but still move on. people though i find dont tend to be so forgiving when you promise them one thing in exchange for money and then defraud them by giving them something else. when money is on the table, and bait and switch is used, its been my experience people are more likely to see this as "theft" or "fraud" than they are to see it as unfortunate.
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I saw Richie responded to the complaints from this forum on his facebook page.
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I saw Richie responded to the complaints from this forum on his facebook page.
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https://www.facebook.com/richie.knucklez/posts/10158821566663378
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What was the Bait and Switch/Fraud that went down during this Kong Off?
Side note, i saw the Gencon stream when the power strip was unplugged on Billy and Robbie's cabinets, they stood up asking basically, "What the heck?" and looked around, no one was "cussing everyone out" I think Robbie might of swore when he jumped up but that was all I saw on the stream. It sounded like someone they knew unplugged it by mistake, just an honest mistake, they sat down and both goth back to work on the cabs. Thats what it seemed like in the stream, which can be found on the video for anyone looking for it, Robbie had a WR game going and was at 720k when it happened.
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i'm just going by what i heard from others, but i'm refering to the same complains here. swapping brackets. also the other accusation is in qualifications everyone was supposed to be able to take turns right? but allegedly billy got to just stay parked on a machine which would be an advantage and not what people thought they were signing on for
i cant speak if these accusations are true or not, i'm only saying if they are true organizers need to realize complaints are way more serious when it has to do with the service paid for
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in qualifications everyone was supposed to be able to take turns right? but allegedly billy got to just stay parked on a machine which would be an advantage and not what people thought they were signing on for
Richie says it's true, and agrees that it was wrong.
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But he said it didn't give BM an advantage - not entirely sure how that's the case, but I guess on this one there'll be a difference of opinion. And I don't mean to besmirch the organizers - I know their goal was to keep it fun and cordial, and I suspect it would be awkward to "enforce the rules" on someone who should know better as a quasi-guest and veteran player. There are lessons learned after every event to be applied next time.
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I don't get what you guys are bitching about. Richie and so many others work hard to put this event together. Walter and Billy were brought out because they have name recognition, they know how to present themselves, and despite the whole controversy they were major stars in an indie film which still makes them marketable. Their names are linked to Donkey Kong, and if it weren't for them, Donkey Kong wouldn't have been as competitive as it has been for all these years.
I get why you guys wanted to destroy Billy's reputation and credibility, but what I don't get is why you guys bitch about it when I don't see any of you guys doing the hard work to put together your own events. You guys won for fucks sake! What more do you want? For the Kong Off's to stop? You guys know damn well Richie is good buddies with Walter and Billy, so of course he is going to include them, of course he is going to tap into Billy to help draw attention to it. If that bothers you, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! It seems like you guys just want this entire community to just die off. But if removing Billy is your goal I can't see why you guys can't create your own events. Promote them, and slap some sort of celebrity into the mix. What's the point of this forum if you guys can't even unite to do something positive, it seems you can only unite when it comes to destroying people, and before you get into the semantics of that, you guys did destroy Billy's reputation - whether that is good or bad is up to interpretation. Outside of that, if you aren't going to do anything about it, then shut up about it.
Good lord. The guy cheated. For years. He stole recognition from other people so he could succeed. If this were any other kind of competition, he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near an event. If these events want to be more legitimate, they have to stop inviting him to compete in them, and they definitely have to stop letting him compete while giving him special treatment like they did at this event. It de-legitimizes the whole thing. And quit blaming his critics. They didn't cheat. They aren't lying about it. Nothing bad that happens at these events or to this community is because of them. Billy is the one who caused all this and continues to lie and perpetuate it for the sake of his own livelihood, his own paychecks and notoriety, and the paychecks and notoriety of his friends and family. He will literally walk over any you for the sake his own success and self preservation. Do you respect him? Have no doubt that he would step on every aspect of your existence if he thought he had to in order to keep his place. That is a fact.
At Gen Con in Indiana recently, my friend witnessed him attempting to get a perfect Pacman score, and when the machine lost power he threw a tantrum, hitting the game and cussing everyone out. Over a video game. What a class act. He must hate doing all this shit at this point, but it's his job. All he's got is his charisma, and when his patience is rattled the real Billy comes out. This is the dude you are defending. A cheating prick. And yet the community is the problem, not Billy. Right.
I'm not saying that the community is the problem, I'm saying if the community wants to rid itself of Billy, then it needs to start hosting its own Kong Offs far from his lackeys and everyone tied to that group. Yet somehow that hasn't happened yet....To be honest I thought that was the plan all along, but here we are bitching about this...I mean Richie has gone on the record saying if Billy killed a man, he'd be right there helping him dump the body. Something like that on the East Side Dave show.
I'm not bashing Richie, I don't think anyone else can pull off an event nor has the work ethic or skills he has, not to mention the showmanship. But Billy is his good buddy, and even if that changed this forum seems to have alot of authority when it comes to Donkey Kong. It's cutey little scoreboard has been recognized by national press, and it's way more credible than Twin Galaxies, who pretty much is a score board littered with cheaters. You guys know folks who know things about the game that not even the programmers knew, and you guys got a guy who created freakin hardware to create better streams.
Having control of the event, with stable leaders would open alot of doors, problem is I'm sure you guys can pull most of it off - except promoting it, getting sponsors, and having someone there who is a great host and a bit of a personality. That's the reason why Richie has been successful, and why he brings Walter and Billy. But...that conflicts with alot of people for so many reasons.
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I'd like to congratulate the (at least) 15 players that scored higher in this Aussie Kong Off than in their previous appearances:
Sean Tagg
Greg Pell
Shaun Ruhland
Chris Jennings
Derek Broadfoot
Aaron Raynor
Neil Cairns
Luke Bushell
Charlie Milne
Mike Coolican
Adam Williams
Steven Riding
Marc Bell
Rhi Coolican
David Clarke
I obviously have a lot to say about everything else, but at the end of the day it's us vs. the monkey, and these players stepped up in a tournament setting. I don't know if these are all PBs for these players, but they all did a great job regardless. Congrats!
Thank you. This event has driven me to play a little more seriously and to make a goal of getting a KS and to continue to improve over the next 12 months. Others I know on that list have similar intentions which is one of the good and positive things to come from this Kong Off.
I believe Shaun Ruhland's and Sean Tagg's are PB scores. Unsure about any others.
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I'm not saying that the community is the problem, I'm saying if the community wants to rid itself of Billy, then it needs to start hosting its own Kong Offs far from his lackeys and everyone tied to that group. Yet somehow that hasn't happened yet....
You mean like the Kong Klash at Vortex arcade? FailFish
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We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
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We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
I was lucky enough to have started my Kill Screen chase when these tourneys were in full swing. Now that I'm in full dad mode it's hard to find the time to play a game that lasts longer than a 5 year old's attention span. I too would love to see the online tourneys return. My favorite was the one during the 2015 Holiday season that also featured an Allen Off. There were a lot big games. One player, who shall remain unnamed, submitted a recorded game in an attempt to win an early bounty if I recall correctly. But the <snek> shut that down in record time. Pretty funny stuff.
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I'll start the prize pool for a new Kong Open with $50.
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We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
I miss those, or the Allen Off spinoffs. We lost some good things due to the split in the community.
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I'll start the prize pool for a new Kong Open with $50.
We have Kong Klash
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We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
I miss those, or the Allen Off spinoffs. We lost some good things due to the split in the community.
I'm not aware of any connection between BM's ban and Kong Opens - the only barriers to the revival of a virtual tournament is personnel and logistics (not to minimize them, it's a significant investment in time and energy to lead the charge)
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WHT DA FTT AUSTRALIAN BILLY MITCHELL LIT .... <Allen> <Allen> <Billy> <Billy>
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WHT DA FTT AUSTRALIAN BILLY MITCHELL LIT .... <Allen> <Allen> <Billy> <Billy>
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100% agree. I've thought about this a few times. With streaming and discord there is no reason we can't have commentators and some head-to-head tournament action going on. I'm down for something in a few months once I get my head outta my arse and get my cab capped. (Someday)... This could be fun. 2 Weeks for qualifying and then over the weekend head-to-head double elimination brackets. Oh yea!
We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
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I miss those as well. Eric Tessler did a great job when he did his own thing with that. You guys should get someone on Facebook to post updates, or a facebook page dedicated to this and events related to Kong type things. Really get the hype going and build an audience outside of this forum. That's how I learned about this community, I didn't watch King of Kong until later.
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100% agree. I've thought about this a few times. With streaming and discord there is no reason we can't have commentators and some head-to-head tournament action going on. I'm down for something in a few months once I get my head outta my arse and get my cab capped. (Someday)... This could be fun. 2 Weeks for qualifying and then over the weekend head-to-head double elimination brackets. Oh yea!
We need to bring back the online Kong Opens so all the mates and yanks can play together. We'd need to scrape together a small prize pool and work out the logistics of streaming head-to-head matches with commentary, but I think it could be an absolute blast.
head to head double eliminations sound fun. you could maybe even do 2 divisions. an opens and a not yet killscreened division.
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I do believe there should be a double elimination bracket. (for lack of better term - losers bracket)
So if you lose a head to head match, you fall down into the losers bracket.
Technically, this should give provide us with a ton of 'fairer' matches as the top 16 winners will not be going straight up against the 16 losers, it also helps offset some of the 'luck' in DK.
I personally am more excited in seeing two 200k players go head to head than I am about seeing a 200k player go up against a killscreener.
Not sure that they'd go for it though.