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Title: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on February 11, 2018, 09:57:50 pm: Word on the street is this is just the beginning, so let's get this party started:

1) Dwayne doctored the tapes to look like MAME.
2) The direct capture board redigitized things in a different order making it look MAME-like
3) Image burn-in on the monitor caused the direct feed to look wrong
4) I have a lot of unused polaroid film from the 80's that I regretfully didn't use to capture my 5.51s, and when I take a photo of my phone playing Billy's video off of Facebook, I don't get an image that looks exactly like one posted in the dispute thread.
5) Todd Rogers witnessed it live, and that should be enough to convince anybody since video evidence wasn't even required. So stop looking at it.

Join in the fun and fill in the rest! Team Billy needs some inspiration from the experts!
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: f_symbols on February 11, 2018, 10:00:12 pm: <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn>
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Flobeamer1922 on February 11, 2018, 10:01:58 pm: 6) VHS artifacting causes the drawing frames to look like MAME. Kappa
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: serphintizer on February 11, 2018, 10:06:25 pm: Number 3 has some merit, and I am sticking to it. We need some experts to really delve into that and see what is going on there.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Adam_Mon on February 12, 2018, 01:34:17 am: (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/158/329/9189283.jpg)

Too soon?
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on February 12, 2018, 04:05:11 am: 7) Billy Mitchell is not how he's portrayed in the movies. He's a nice guy. So it can't be MAME
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: timhett on February 12, 2018, 05:21:18 am: 8 ) Doesn't look at all like MAME, it's simply a mass hallucination that is somehow transmitted through the video itself, a bit like the Ring but way stupider
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: LMDAVE on February 12, 2018, 05:50:37 am: 9) "Why would any player, nearly eight years ago, desire to put a MAME computer in the back of a Nintendo cabinet and connect the output to a Sanyo monitor?"
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: QAOP Spaceman on February 12, 2018, 06:00:36 am: 10) A family man who successfully runs both a restaurant and a hot-sauce business, who managed to negotiate pretty favourable terms for himself in the movie industry, and who has a host of associates and contacts in the video game industry, would not have the technical expertise to press F7 on a computer keyboard.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on February 12, 2018, 07:22:09 am: 11) The people disputing Billy Mitchell are just doing it because they are jealous of Mitchell and his popularity.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: YaZoR on February 12, 2018, 07:49:29 am: 12) The human element
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: YesAffinity on February 12, 2018, 08:08:46 am: 13) Because there is a sudden spike in demand for my one-of-a-kind "Free Billy Mitchell" t-shirts, and I want to cash in.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: CaptainJivePants on February 12, 2018, 08:24:08 am: 14) The people who supplied the cabinets he played on were all jealous of him and intentionally set him up for this. They then somehow leaked it to the DK community to trigger a deeper investigation.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: YesAffinity on February 12, 2018, 08:30:00 am: 15) Because a mid-90s Sega pinball tech said that doing a MAME would be way harder.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: tilt on February 12, 2018, 09:06:15 am: 16) Because an analog video chip digitally manipulated a video signal to drop frames.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on February 12, 2018, 09:13:07 am: 17) Because Walter Day said his scores are legit.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: marky_d on February 12, 2018, 09:25:48 am: 18) Because after seeing what a Dragster cartridge sold for on ebay after Todd's fall from grace, people disputed the scores so they could sell their autographed Billy merchandise for some sweet $$$.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: YesAffinity on February 12, 2018, 09:31:48 am: 19) Because screen burn and swapped tubes, rotated yokes and reverse-connected yoke pins on Gleed's and Young's monitor recordings (which are probably not even Sanyo tubes any more) both create an image that is different than the true, legit and fully original cab that Billy Mitchell played on, set his records on and captured from.

I for one can attest I have gone to great pains to ensure the originality of the 20EZ in my cab. I bought it from a trusted seller in Los Angeles, replacing the heavily burned-in DJR Sanyo 20EZ monitor that was in the cab when I bought it, for the current TKG Sanyo 20EZ that is in the cab (bought from the trusted seller). Not to say that somewhere along the lines my monitor couldn't have been modified in some way, but parts are identical between the DJR, the TKG, the TKG in my red cab, other Sanyo 20EZ's I've worked on, etc, etc, etc. None of this truly has any bearing on the discussion, just some supplementary information. 8)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: D.B. Cooper on February 12, 2018, 09:40:40 am: 20. Who are you and what have you done?
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: timhett on February 12, 2018, 10:11:41 am: 21) low voltage from power supply immediately converts DK PCBs into MAME so he used a high voltage power supply on his MAME computer to convert his MAME game into arcade (reversing the effect)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: alumbrada on February 12, 2018, 10:38:25 am: 22) the accuser is really just plugging his soon-to-be released book
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Barra on February 12, 2018, 11:29:55 am: 23) Because jry is an elongated, legless, carnivorous reptile
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: xelnia on February 12, 2018, 12:40:22 pm: Quote from: Barra on February 12, 2018, 11:29:55 am
elongated

Kreygasm
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on February 12, 2018, 12:50:44 pm: 24) Because Twin Galaxies already accepted it, and so it must be legit.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: WCopeland on February 12, 2018, 12:55:23 pm: 25) Donkey Kong Designer Shigeru Miyamoto has no doubts of Billy Mitchell's record
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Snowflake on February 12, 2018, 01:56:33 pm: Dwayne did it
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Snowflake on February 12, 2018, 01:57:33 pm: Nobody would know about donkey kong if not for him, so respect your history
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on February 12, 2018, 04:11:40 pm: 26) Billy Mitchell is not clever enough to hatch such a ruse.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Sock Master on February 12, 2018, 05:16:50 pm: 27) Billy Mitchell was practicing so hard using MAME that his MAME play style was visible on DK hardware.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on February 13, 2018, 12:28:36 pm: Joel's got all the best ones:

28) Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches â€œcheatingâ€.
29) Any player who could get 1 Million nearly 8 years ago on MAME would be able to probably get more on arcade than a mere 1,062,800 points.
30) Cheating is like an addiction â€¦ once you â€œget away with itâ€™ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.
31) Billy Mitchellâ€™s score was no longer even in the Top 10 so TG shouldn't allow anybody to dispute it.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Weehawk on February 13, 2018, 01:17:26 pm: Quote from: gstrain on February 13, 2018, 12:28:36 pm
Joel's got all the best ones:

28) Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches â€œcheatingâ€.
29) Any player who could get 1 Million nearly 8 years ago on MAME would be able to probably get more on arcade than a mere 1,062,800 points.
30) Cheating is like an addiction â€¦ once you â€œget away with itâ€™ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.
31) Billy Mitchellâ€™s score was no longer even in the Top 10 so TG shouldn't allow anybody to dispute it.

(http://www.slither-gdi.net/laughharder.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Adam_Mon on February 13, 2018, 01:51:27 pm: Quote from: gstrain on February 13, 2018, 12:28:36 pm
Joel's got all the best ones:

28) Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches â€œcheatingâ€.
29) Any player who could get 1 Million nearly 8 years ago on MAME would be able to probably get more on arcade than a mere 1,062,800 points.
30) Cheating is like an addiction â€¦ once you â€œget away with itâ€™ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.
31) Billy Mitchellâ€™s score was no longer even in the Top 10 so TG shouldn't allow anybody to dispute it.

(https://i.imgflip.com/24icpn.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: serphintizer on February 13, 2018, 01:59:15 pm: ROFL
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: TheSunshineFund on February 13, 2018, 02:03:53 pm: Quote from: gstrain on February 13, 2018, 12:28:36 pm
Joel's got all the best ones:

30) Cheating is like an addiction â€¦ once you â€œget away with itâ€™ the next time is easy, and oft times bigger.

Did he submit subsequent lower scores or something? I'm surprised he didn't suggest splitting out the TG arcade track to scores done on MAME made to look like an arcade submission and arcade submissions. This way Billy can be #1 again like Joel's Berzerk buddy is.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on February 13, 2018, 07:22:56 pm: Quote from: gstrain on February 11, 2018, 09:57:50 pm
5) Todd Rogers witnessed it live, and that should be enough to convince anybody since video evidence wasn't even required. So stop looking at it.
Billy doubled down on (5) in his latest interview, going hard with the thesis statement:

It doesn't matter if you have video of me cheating, Todd Rogers saw me get the score.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: anningmay on February 13, 2018, 09:00:27 pm: 32) All the young Earth Creationists say so.

<stirpot>
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: chuck12 on February 13, 2018, 09:12:10 pm: 33) Billy Mitchell using MAME is FAKE NEWS!!
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Zmick_tricK on February 13, 2018, 09:45:14 pm: 34) Because it's [current year]!!!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/8XUt7LilKZwOc/giphy.gif)

35) It's still real to me!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/NLFgIpE.gif)

36) The platform no longer identifies as MAME and prefers to be called an original arcade cabinet.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: YaZoR on February 13, 2018, 11:42:13 pm: 37) The fact of the matter is ...
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Rev John on March 07, 2018, 03:05:24 pm: 38) Because it was recorded on a PAL video tape. And those look like MAME. And have no sound.

(1st post, G'Day! Funnily enough it was BM being in the news - and watching Robbie Lakeman's incredibly skillful 1,230,100 on Youtube - that has got me playing this game more) <popcorn>
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on March 27, 2018, 07:08:36 pm: 39) It seems the "claim" that Billy or someone used a "cheat" in MAME to adjust the refresh rate to match the arcade is without merit. The data available at the time showed the arcade refresh rate to be 60 Hz, not 60.60Hz Such a claim has been made without any evidence whatsoever. It appears to be a mark of desperation, where things are purposely manipulated in order to prove what one already believes

40) You can't use the videos as evidence to remove his scores since the videos weren't part of the evidence used to accept his scores.

41) Wes used a tricked out aftermarket jump button.

42) If he played on a cocktail it explains why things looked flipped the wrong direction.

43) I wonder if 240v power would add effect to it?
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Sock Master on March 27, 2018, 07:25:51 pm: 44) if you are trying to find what causes differences among the boards, there is many. Every original board has a LARGE amount of components. This has a drawback, there is alot of timing filtering circuits like RC (Resister-Capacitor) on many IC chips. The values vary has rarely are they cut exactly. The heart of the unit is the Crystal. Even the crystal's cut isn't exact. the CPU uses HALT commands and RDY(Ready) signals to continue the program counter. These variable do produce a difference in EVERY BOARD! We techs call it the signature. no are 100% exact. the newer stuff is way faster and better at reducing these errors. You will notice the older the tech, the more adjustments it has for manual fine tuning. Outputs are VERY inconsistent but also the method Billy was using to record his plays was not the way 99.9% of players were doing it at the time. So the abnormalities would be different then the ones you will see from the commonly used method of the day which was a camcorder aimed to the screen to a magnetic tape. Even trying to record a mame to a tape in the day required uncommon equipment as computers do not have composite outs. Even so the mame output would look amazingly sharp and slightly off cause off the aspect ratio. Hanging on to the tail from a score that isn't even on the score board is insidious
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: tilt on March 27, 2018, 07:36:22 pm: 45) Alpha particles collided with one of the logic chips every single board transition causing bits to flip that precisely remove the board transitions, making the game look like mame.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Weehawk on March 27, 2018, 08:26:38 pm: 46)

(http://www.slither-gdi.net/aliens.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Josephjo on March 27, 2018, 11:12:25 pm: 47) The way the DK game is viewed is dependent on what tv program you taped over on the vhs cassette.

Taping over Happy Days, M*A*S*H, Different Strokes, Alf, WWF Wrestling, Cheers, The Wonder Years or The Golden Girls means your Arcade Game looks like Mame.

Taping over The Dukes of Hazzard, Full house, The A-Team, Hill Street Blues, CHiPS, The Cosby Show or Laverne and Shirley means your Arcade Game still looks like Arcade.

Unfortunately for Billy he recorded over an episode of Alf.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Rev John on March 28, 2018, 03:56:56 am: Quote from: Josephjo on March 27, 2018, 11:12:25 pm
47) The way the DK game is viewed is dependent on what tv program you taped over on the vhs cassette.

Taping over Happy Days, M*A*S*H, Different Strokes, Alf, WWF Wrestling, Cheers, The Wonder Years or The Golden Girls means your Arcade Game looks like Mame.

Taping over The Dukes of Hazzard, Full house, The A-Team, Hill Street Blues, CHiPS, The Cosby Show or Laverne and Shirley means your Arcade Game still looks like Arcade.

Unfortunately for Billy he recorded over an episode of Alf.

48) Because stunning new evidence shows he actually copied over The Cosby Show, clearly proving Billy to be innocent. https://imgur.com/a/4A7AL (Damn if I could get this pic to show properly argh!)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: CaptainJivePants on March 28, 2018, 07:05:18 am: Replacing 46) since it was a duplicate 'aliens' post.

46) "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit." He used the Chewbacca defense. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: homerwannabee on March 28, 2018, 07:44:34 am: 49) Because anyone who has the hairstyle of Jesus must be innocent

<Billy>
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on March 28, 2018, 08:20:28 am: I have a feeling reason 50 may have a number of "sub-reasons". Please continue to list them like 50(a), 50(b), 50(c) if they should arise.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: JCHarrist on March 28, 2018, 05:21:22 pm: 50(b)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Mary McManus on March 28, 2018, 06:09:12 pm: One of the top reasons: HE GOT PAID TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO FOOL YOU CHUMPS! He still walks away with thousands of dollars even if you do take away his TG scores..morons!
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Rev John on March 28, 2018, 08:21:16 pm: 50 (c) It's all logical, we all know that Billy partly controlled TG

So if Billy is guilty, then it means TG must be corrupt
And if TG is corrupt, then all their decisions are wrong
So if TG decides that Billy is guilty, then Billy must actually be innocent
So if Billy is innocent, that means that TG isn't corrupt
And if TG isn't corrupt, then all their decisions must be correct
So if TG decides that Billy is guilty, that means that, um
Less than 2/3 of a second, Bang that looks like MAME, I've seen Billy score 2M on Donkey Kong you haters the TV is reverse polarity unpossible
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on March 30, 2018, 04:02:32 pm: 50(d) - I never cheated. I told that to everyone lots of times. nobody believed me. and I've been playing in person all the time and how can I cheat? how fair is that? And I was on tv playing donkey kong and everybody was watching me for a crowd. how could I cheat?

50(e) - Please, help me , DKF it is lying about me. DKF says that my records are cheated, but this is not true. They say they are incredible scores. But if I 'm good, that my fault ? I want to leave DKF and TG because they are liars, any advice to get records.
I play games with an Arcade machine with direct feed to a laptop . I use the 4-way joystick. I dont know how cheat mame, i m not programmer. I play only for hobby. if something is wrong with the videos I do not know why, but I assure you is not cheating.To show you that I'm not lying I will beat 1M of Donkey Kong in a real arcade machine . The best thing is to demonstrate the facts , not words.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Alc on April 01, 2018, 02:23:46 am: 50(e) - the VHS is a copy of the original, therefore you cannot judge it. Oh, but the original verification based on this copy is still totally valid.

(https://www.facebook.com/david.race.9/posts/2387863641239049)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Rev John on April 01, 2018, 06:00:32 am: Quote from: CaptainJivePants on March 28, 2018, 07:05:18 am
46) "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit." He used the Chewbacca defense. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense)

Here is the Chewbacca defence in action, from FaceBook.

46 (B) "Has anyone really thought about WHY there are "fingers" or "tails" in MAME?" (Team Billy 1)

46 (C) "Good Question" (Team Billy 2)

EDIT: Removing the names of the two people quoted
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: benasselstine on April 01, 2018, 10:47:00 am: ??) How can it be MAME when there isn't a trading card saying so?

https://imgur.com/a/NIU0k (https://imgur.com/a/NIU0k)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on February 22, 2019, 02:35:18 pm: 50(f) â€“ The big stack of email printouts Billy waves around at conventions but his lawyer wonâ€™t let anyone look at proves Billyâ€™s innocent.

50(g) â€“ Billy scoring 1,047,500 on Twitch on 8/16/2018 proves he scored 1,047,200 in 2005. Likewise the scores of over 1,047,500 since 2005 by Robbie Lakeman, John McCurdy, Wes Copeland, Dean Saglio, Jason Wade, Phil Tudose, Hank Chien, Mark Kiehl, Ross Benzinger, Vincent Lemay, Thomas Bauer, ACU AZU, J. P. Buergers, Steve Wiltshire, Dave McCrary, Jeff Willms, Jeff Wolfe, Tim Sczerby, Mike Groesbeck, Corey Chambers, Steve Wiebe, Scott Cunningham, Dan Desjardins, and Ethan Daniels prove they scored 1,047,500 in 2005 before Billy.

50(h) â€“ Billy scored 1,050,100 on Twitch on 11/24/18, matching and proving his score of 1,050,200 from 1/13/2007. Likewise, Rick Fothergillâ€™s score of 3,333,270 in May 1999 matches the perfect Pac-Man score of 3,333,360 and proves Rick achieved the first perfect Pac-Man.

50(j) â€“ Dwayne, Mruczek, and MTV were hacking videos to frame Billy several years before previously known.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: ersatz_cats on February 22, 2019, 05:18:38 pm: 50(k) - Actions in 2009 can affect events in 2006,

50(l) - When someone frames you, it's only natural to assume that three years later they would solicit many peoples' help in trying to frame you,

50(m) - Dwayne Richard has ascended from the ranks of mortals to attain command of the forces of the cosmos and of time itself,

50(n) - Jace Hall is the anti-Christ,

50(o) - Did you hear that thing about Barnstorming?

50(p) - Video games are made of magical fairy dust, you never know what they're gonna do!
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Weehawk on August 18, 2019, 09:18:05 pm: 50(q) "ground glitch"
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Pearl on September 17, 2019, 10:25:40 pm: 50r) because a 150 page essay proves it isnt
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: ersatz_cats on September 17, 2019, 10:30:52 pm: 50(s) Remember that fake board swap video we did? That proves there was a DK Jr board present for Billy to play on.

50(t) There was a DK Jr board present, and witnesses testified he played on that board, and the tape shows MAME-like transitions. That proves arcade hardware can produce MAME signatures. It doesn't get any more scientific than that!
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: ersatz_cats on September 17, 2019, 10:35:36 pm: 50(u) And I quote, "Jace Hall is not a technician, does not have the educational background of a technician, and should not be considered a technical expert of any kind. As a matter of fact, we do not believe Jace Hall has received any level of college education."
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: ersatz_cats on September 17, 2019, 10:43:16 pm: 50(v) As a young child, Robert Mruczek was forced to watch as his entire family was slaughtered at the hands of Steve Wiebe. And from that day, he swore on his family's honor that, whatever it took, he would never allow Wiebe to hold the world record on Donkey Kong for more than a few months at a time.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on September 17, 2019, 11:06:44 pm: 50(w) - 1,047,200 was not a score submission

50(x) - XI.Section 10 D. Part 5: Two Bit Convertor & Other Factors

50(y) - Retracted
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: bensweeneyonbass on September 18, 2019, 06:06:11 am: Quote from: Sock Master on February 12, 2018, 05:16:50 pm
27) Billy Mitchell was practicing so hard using MAME that his MAME play style was visible on DK hardware.

Coming back to this one. So good.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: francoisadt on September 18, 2019, 06:10:48 am: Quote from: ersatz_cats on September 17, 2019, 10:30:52 pm
50(s) Remember that fake board swap video we did? That proves there was a DK Jr board present for Billy to play on.

50(t) There was a DK Jr board present, and witnesses testified he played on that board, and the tape shows MAME-like transitions. That proves arcade hardware can produce MAME signatures. It doesn't get any more scientific than that!
Let's say Billy did play on a DK Jnr board becuase that was the board on the video.

DK/DKJnr setup:
Then how would a particular setup works to play DK and DK Jnr on a Dk Jnr board?
Using a add-on multi-pcb (or a linked pcb) which do contain the DK rom?

This "DK/DKJnr setup" could explain the MAME signatures if such a setup is possible.

Now, the record is void anyway because such a setup is not original then:
this setup "DK/DKJnr setup" => EQAUAL to misinformation provided (aka lying/not the original truth) => cheating?

If I do setup such a setup "
Quote from: ersatz_cats on September 17, 2019, 10:30:52 pm
50(s) Remember that fake board swap video we did? That proves there was a DK Jr board present for Billy to play on.

50(t) There was a DK Jr board present, and witnesses testified he played on that board, and the tape shows MAME-like transitions. That proves arcade hardware can produce MAME signatures. It doesn't get any more scientific than that!
Let's say Billy did play on a DK Jnr board becuase that was the board on the video.

DK/DKJnr setup:
Then how would a particular setup works to play DK and DK Jnr on a Dk Jnr board?
Using a add-on multi-pcb (or a linked pcb) which do contain the DK rom?

This "DK/DKJnr setup" could explain the MAME signatures if such a setup is possible.

Now, the record is void anyway because such a setup is not original then:
this setup "DK/DKJnr setup" => EQAUAL to misinformation provided (aka lying/not the original truth) => cheating?

If I do have such a setup would this be accepted here on this score board on DK forum? (I do ask DK and not GWR or TG)
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: gstrain on October 30, 2020, 11:26:18 pm: So after some thought, I think this as an excellent brief of Billy's court case from the top 50 list post. Thanks to all the contributors!

50(e) - Please, help me , DKF it is lying about me. DKF says that my records are cheated, but this is not true. They say they are incredible scores. But if I'm good, that my fault
5 - Todd Rogers witnessed it live, and that should be enough to convince anybody since video evidence wasn't even required. So stop looking at it.
17 - Because Walter Day said his scores are legit.
37 - The fact of the matter is ...
50(n) - Jace Hall is the anti-Christ
50(d) - I never cheated. I told that to everyone lots of times. nobody believed me. and I've been playing in person all the time and how can I cheat? how fair is that? And I was on tv playing donkey kong and everybody was watching me for a crowd. how could I cheat?
11 - The people disputing Billy Mitchell are just doing it because they are jealous of Mitchell and his popularity.
1 - Dwayne doctored the tapes to look like MAME.
7 - Billy Mitchell is not how he's portrayed in the movies. He's a nice guy. So it can't be MAME
50(g) - Billy scoring 1,047,500 on Twitch on 8/16/2018 proves he scored 1,047,200 in 2005.
9 - "Why would any player, nearly eight years ago, desire to put a MAME computer in the back of a Nintendo cabinet and connect the output to a Sanyo monitor?"
50(p) - Video games are made of magical fairy dust, you never know what they're gonna do!
50(r) - because a 150 page essay proves it isnt
2 - The direct capture board redigitized things in a different order making it look MAME-like (more elegant but obscure version
is 16 - Because an analog video chip digitally manipulated a video signal to drop frames)
19 - Because screen burn and swapped tubes, rotated yokes and reverse-connected yoke pins on Gleed's and Young's monitor recordings (which are probably not even Sanyo tubes any more) both create an image that is different than the true, legit and fully original cab that Billy Mitchell played on, set his records on and captured from.
28 - Looking like MAME is not MAME, nor a violation that even approaches cheating
39 - It seems the "claim" that Billy or someone used a "cheat" in MAME to adjust the refresh rate to match the arcade is without merit. The data available at the time showed the arcade refresh rate to be 60 Hz, not 60.60Hz Such a claim has been made without any evidence whatsoever. It appears to be a mark of desperation, where things are purposely manipulated in order to prove what one already believes
10 - A family man who successfully runs both a restaurant and a hot-sauce business, who managed to negotiate pretty favourable terms for himself in the movie industry, and who has a host of associates and contacts in the video game industry, would not have the technical expertise to press F7 on a computer keyboard.
23 - Because jry is an elongated, legless, carnivorous reptile
12 - The human element
46 - I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: JNugent on June 25, 2021, 01:37:13 pm: 50(z) - Because I'm Billy Mitchell.
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: Barra on January 16, 2024, 10:44:15 pm: because he didn't clean the VCR's heads before recording
Title: Re: Top 50 Reasons why Billy Mitchell's DK WR tapes look like MAME but aren't
Post by: jammvyy on January 17, 2024, 08:34:49 am: Because we are all not worthy enough to understand billy shear mastery of the game. Ones you've seen it mame , it can't be unseen again.