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Offline ChrisP

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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2013, 02:03:56 am »
This could sort of apply to arcade machines in general, but it's certainly true of Donkey Kong.

Has anyone ever felt that it was extremely inefficient, in a system-design sense, to dedicate not one but two buttons (or any buttons at all), complete with all the physics and wiring thereto, solely for the purpose of starting the game?

You could put your quarter in and just as easily hit "Jump", or wiggle the joystick, to start the game. Doing it that way you'd both streamline the design and save a significant amount in manufacturing and maintenance costs. Consider all of the electrical and mechanical parts (and the resulting potential complications) that you're introducing to the system with those impractical and superfluous buttons.

I guess the psychology of it was considered (or determined to be) profitable enough to justify the extra investment. After all, everything about the design of these things is exploiting psychology in one way or another. There's definitely a feeling of power/agency in pressing a specific button that does nothing but start the game. It also had to be idiot-proof and extremely straightforward/user-friendly to someone unfamiliar with such a machine.

I guess I answered my own question...

Another question, almost a more important one, what's the point of a two-player game of the "alternating" style, given that the players' individual games are 100% compartmentalized and in no way affect one another? Why not just play two one-player games back to back? Having to alternate is just obnoxious! Actually, a two-player game between any two members of this group is kind of a funny proposition: you'd play for a half hour or so, then get a totally unpredictable break of anywhere between 30 seconds to an hour!

Have any of you tried that with one another at some point, just to annoy yourselves?

The two player thing is, no doubt, psychological too, and must have become "industry standard" for a reason. That one I can't answer myself and I'd be interested in knowing the reason.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2013, 06:08:50 am »
i like the way two player DK games alternate, makes it a more interactive back/forth contest between players...not that iv ever played one, my mates think my cab is awesome but 5 mins playing and they're like 'fuck this stupid game, does it play anything else?'  ;D



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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2013, 07:28:20 am »
Well, we're talking 1981 where most all games were alternating two-player. About the design, the cost for 2-buttons and the wire was pretty small to the over all design/construction.

But, this did make me start thinking, what was the first video to offer 2-player? Not 2 players at the same time, just the standard alternating 2-player game. Then, before looking thinking about it too long, I realize this was proabbly adapted from pinball, which would allow up to four players in an alternating method.

But, for the most part, remembering how it was back then, it made sense. Everyone wanted to play, so you didn't want to wait for someone's game to finish, when you can get your turn a lot fast to play these game after each man/ship was lost.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2013, 02:38:44 pm »
About the design, the cost for 2-buttons and the wire was pretty small to the over all design/construction.

For any one individual machine yes, but I'm thinking on scale. For tens of thousands of machines the cost would add up. I suppose you could pass that into the sales price though.

I do think there is something to be said for the consideration that adding those buttons just adds more parts that have the potential to break/malfunction, which is something that any arcade operator would be looking to avoid.

But, for the most part, remembering how it was back then, it made sense. Everyone wanted to play, so you didn't want to wait for someone's game to finish, when you can get your turn a lot fast to play these game after each man/ship was lost.

That does make sense.

The social/competitive element is also enhanced by the alternating. There could also be an argument that it makes the game as a contest more suspenseful.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2013, 04:13:06 pm »
Chris, back when my best DK score was about 300k, my friend Alex and I would play 2 player at Dave and Busters. It was pretty fun, because, at the time, Alex's best was about 220k, so it allowed us a chance to watch each others games and see what the other was doing that we could improve on. We were able to eat and drink all the while as well. It also allowed us to get used to playing while another person watches. Looking back (I definitely didn't realize this then), but watching each other play and focusing just as much on the other's game as our own game probably helped us each to learn to be ok with playing longer games -which would eventually come  in the future, once we could get 500k+ on our own games.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2013, 04:21:02 pm »
Last 2-player game of DK I played was with Brian Kuh at Funspot 5 years ago or so. ;D Some games lend better to 2-player games than others.  Games like Centipede/Millipede are really fun that way.  DK, not so much for me.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2013, 10:42:07 pm »
I'm kinda glad that I am not qualified for KO3. I almost wouldn't even want a dedicated machine. Way too much going on!

And it's not like I would have the slightest glint of a chance against The Big Five (Hank, Dean, Jeff, Vincent, Wiebe) anyway. Not individually, and certainly not as a group, and I would probably need to get superlucky to beat any of the other 7 as well.

What I'm hoping is that while I'm there I can get a verified top 15 on the scoreboard for DK Junior (787,400+) and top 5 (200K+) on D2K. Really my only chance to make the board on either of those if I don't want to cough up a hundy or so.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2013, 03:18:31 am »
Not just anybody can sport my new avatar.

Drinkers of HATERADE need not apply.
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2013, 11:59:35 am »
Sweet, I just got to use the Hank Chien Funspot Double-Cross.

Today my siblings were hanging out, and my in-laws were hanging out. But I wanted to hang out by myself and play Donkey Kong.

So I told my siblings I was going to be with my in-laws, and my in-laws that I was going to be with my siblings.

And here we are! Thanks Dr. Kong!
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« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2013, 02:35:55 pm »
So I told my siblings I was going to be with my in-laws, and my in-laws that I was going to be with my siblings.
Great use!  I approve.

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« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2013, 03:02:19 am »
I am up and running with a new streaming machine. Now my channel is in 30fps, rather than 15. And this machine can walk and chew gum at the same time. Yay!

I can actually stream MAME now without dropping frames. Maybe it's time to go back for my Junior killscreen, in public this time.



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« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2013, 03:02:08 am »
Oh my god. I apologize to everybody who was in my stream tonight. You could hear that fan blowing on the mic THE WHOLE TIME!

I thought it was just when I was sitting directly in front of it, not the entirety of the time I was playing.

That was a totally unnecessary assault on your ears.

To say nothing of my incessant yammering. I was a real moonbat.

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« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2013, 03:13:49 am »
Not at all man, you were hilarious and fun to watch.

You vent and spit wrath at the game well.

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« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2013, 05:29:57 am »
Actually, I had to highlight one thing from tonight, because it's sort of nuts.

Some of you may remember a couple months back I posted a highlight giving an example of Super Happy Fun Time:
http://www.twitch.tv/chrisp_kreme/c/1921900

Tonight, at one point in a game, almost exactly the same situation unfolded. And when I say almost exactly, I mean almost exactly. And not just in the game! There are like 20 different parallels here, I thought it was kind of neat.
http://www.twitch.tv/chrisp_kreme/c/2554190

This one, however, has a very different ending!  :D
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Re: Mr. Donkey Blog
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2013, 05:54:32 am »

Nice highlights, Chris.  Despite the diametrically opposite outcomes, both clips were thoroughly entertaining!

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