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Offline andrewg

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Re: Pole Position and how to get better
« Reply #150 on: October 14, 2021, 03:55:26 pm »
Again the question just becomes... who was the one who changed the score and why? It's not a text error so either he did get it at some point or someone tampered with the score.
If anyone has access to that dead forum PLEASE copy paste this for Wayne.  I've tried to register years ago and no new registers are allowed..  hmmm, wonder why..    https://www.classicarcadegaming.com/

I do have an account, but lost the password long ago and the email associated with it is long gone. I'm gonna try and log in though.

EDIT: Yeah, I can't. However negative1 posted your response on the forum btw.

I missed my shot at buying the Pole Position cabinet I was eyeing. Had it still been listed I actually probably would have made the purchase. Oh well. I bought the PS1 version just to mess around with it and the controls have been really finicky given it's not a steering wheel. Regardless I am gonna see if I can figure anything out with this game when I have time.

I have a good eye for this kind of thing so maybe I'll have some info on extra cars or the bonus 10, etc. I'm not super technical, but I wish I could look at the code for the scoring bonus haha. Might give some clue as to what's going on there... I've been searching for some info and have come up short here so far. Anyway, I will be researching some more and with any luck I'll have some answers with this game.

I am thinking I won't be getting any good scores with the PS1 version mostly due to the controls. I need to mess around with it more though.

Regardless of TG or Guinness... At the end of the day the world record is the best performance with proof. TG and even Guinness credibility these days is lacking. I'd love to see a real entity that actually cares about the integrity of their leaderboards.



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Re: Pole Position and how to get better
« Reply #151 on: October 14, 2021, 07:39:11 pm »
Again the question just becomes... who was the one who changed the score and why? It's not a text error so either he did get it at some point or someone tampered with the score.
If anyone has access to that dead forum PLEASE copy paste this for Wayne.  I've tried to register years ago and no new registers are allowed..  hmmm, wonder why..    https://www.classicarcadegaming.com/

I do have an account, but lost the password long ago and the email associated with it is long gone. I'm gonna try and log in though.

EDIT: Yeah, I can't. However negative1 posted your response on the forum btw.

I missed my shot at buying the Pole Position cabinet I was eyeing. Had it still been listed I actually probably would have made the purchase. Oh well. I bought the PS1 version just to mess around with it and the controls have been really finicky given it's not a steering wheel. Regardless I am gonna see if I can figure anything out with this game when I have time.

I have a good eye for this kind of thing so maybe I'll have some info on extra cars or the bonus 10, etc. I'm not super technical, but I wish I could look at the code for the scoring bonus haha. Might give some clue as to what's going on there... I've been searching for some info and have come up short here so far. Anyway, I will be researching some more and with any luck I'll have some answers with this game.

I am thinking I won't be getting any good scores with the PS1 version mostly due to the controls. I need to mess around with it more though.

Regardless of TG or Guinness... At the end of the day the world record is the best performance with proof. TG and even Guinness credibility these days is lacking. I'd love to see a real entity that actually cares about the integrity of their leaderboards.

Bummer about the Pole Position machine!  I think you'd really like playing one for an extended period of time.  Is the PS1 game you got Namco museum?  I have that for Gamecube.  It's pretty difficult for me to play Pole Position with a controller, but still fun.  If you find anything interesting in the gameplay I'm all ears!   I've talked with Adam who was developing the fpga pole position clone.  I know nobody believes it, but it's not dead...  can't say it'll happen soon, but as of a week ago he has not given up on it.  Considering he's the guy who cracked the customs, he would be the one to talk to about the code.  I've asked a few simple questions but if/when he gets it done I'm sure the excitement will get him talking about everything he found out.  The most important thing about the code (other than the the possible rng that controls the starting position of the enemy cars) is what changes the position of the enemy cars.  switching lanes and moving forward or back.  Is it truly just speed, or does touching the sides or passing outside/inside change their position.  Right now I believe it's how the cars are stacked going into a corner, some are programmed to change lanes in a corner and either jump ahead or behind cars if they are right next to one.  Getting another car may truly be an example of luck and getting the cars in the correct order right before hairpin on lap 3 or 4.. or not lol.

I read something years ago and can't find it.  somebody was digging through the code of the gmae and found a bunch of "tables".  like if x value happens then y happens.  but like hundreds of options.  I sometimes wonder if the movement of enemy cars is based on the steering wheel position. (there's only so much input on the game, steering wheel, shifter, gas, brake?) The game knows where you are and it could be knowing that by what the steering wheel optic board is reading, and then comparing it to what it was immediately before..  Spin the wheel in test mode and there are 256 individual letter/number combinations.  00 through FF, 0-9 and A-F combined.  That's almost exactly 2 and 1/2 full steering wheel revolutions to cover all input combos.  Just throwing that out there as it would be an easy undetectable way to make the game appear random, even though it isn't. 
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Re: Pole Position and how to get better
« Reply #152 on: January 05, 2022, 08:31:29 pm »
After a break I'm back playing, bummer when I turned the game on a few weeks ago my high scores were gone.  Just have to get new ones.  Got an all time best 213.65 tonight. Dude that's fast no matter what, but I messed up in lap 1 and twice in lap 2, lap 3 was a disaster, lap 4 was golden.  One of these days I'm gonna put it all together.  Like I told Johnny, no mysterys, I'm gonna take it tick by f'n tick.  25 ticks to go. 

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