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Title: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 11, 2013, 09:13:00 pm
I have been thinking about this for a while and was going to do it before I
took over the DkJr list, But anyway if we are going to have a Crazy Kong High Sore List,
how are we going to do it? What rules are we going to have in place?
I have a few thoughts on this but am going to leave it up to
everybody to come up with the rules that should be in place.
To start the list I will combine Tg and Marp scores together,
I was also thinking about adding Retro Uprising and Aurcade scores aswell,
depending on what everyone else thinks.
OK so there it is, Discuss
Nick

Work in Progress List
  Rank     Source     Score       Player         Date  Platform
1 MARP   685200Phil Tudos (http://www.twitch.tv\ptdose)14/11/2011MAME
2 MARP TG 638700Ben Jos Walbeehm*08/12/2001MAME
3 RetroUprising   631700Tim Sczerby* (http://www.twitch.tv\mrsteddybear)17/05/2013MAME
4 MARP TG 624000Jeff Wolfe (http://www.twitch.tv\milehighdt)11/07/2000MAME
5 MARP   617100Estel Goffinet31/10/2013MAME
6 MARP TG 608900Chris Psaros (http://www.twitch.tv\chrisp_kreme)17/03/2012MAME
7 Aurcade   608500Jimmy Linderman25/03/2010ARCADE
8 TG   605600Kane Mawhinney 24/04/2011MAME
9 TG   597900John Western 21/05/2009MAME
10 Aurcade   579700Justin Knucklez07/08/2010ARCADE
11 Aurcade   576800JJ Cahill08/07/2010ARCADE
12 TG   575900Robbie Lakeman 01/09/2012ARCADE
13 MARP   567200Jason Nugent (http://www.twitch.tv\Jnugent74)17/10/2013MAME
14 Aurcade   566800Ben Falls (http://www.twitch.tv\syscrusher)20/03/2010ARCADE
15 MARP   566600Brian Allen (http://www.twitch.tv\simpsons99)11/11/2013MAME
16 MARP   559900John McNeill (http://www.twitch.tv\MrBumpNJump)14/03/2013MAME
17 MARP   549300Alessandro.S21/09/2008MAME
18 TG   544900John Marks 08/06/2010ARCADE
19 Aurcade   511600F Ochs 11/06/2010ARCADE
20 Twitch (http://www.twitch.tv/shane_nc/c/2847892)   487700Shane Mosher (http://www.twitch.tv\shane_nc)31/8/2013MAME
21 MARP TG 470000Alex Weir28/07/2005MAME
22 TG   457300Vignola Renzo31/07/2005MAME
23 TG   452500Timothy Davidson 24/02/2009MAME
24 MARP   446000Arjen Gnodde12/04/2001MAME
25 MARP   434700Crash18/07/1998MAME
26 MARP   428800Rich Simonek10/08/2013MAME
27 TG   424500Gregory Erway 31/07/2005MAME
28 MARP   416800RJM24/03/2013MAME
29 MARP   414200TJT10/06/2005MAME
30 TG   393500Jonathan Dunne 31/07/2005MAME
31 MARP TG 382100Robert T Mruczek28/01/2007MAME
32 TG   353900Tommi Tiihonen 31/07/2005MAME
33 MARP   353700Aspie09/09/2004MAME
34 MARP   346300gastrainga21/03/2008MAME
35 RetroUprising   341300Kernzy24/03/2013MAME
36 MARP   340500Michael Schmitt17/05/2013MAME
37 TG   336300Didia Loen 12/02/2010MAME
38 TG   336000Adam Wilmot 06/10/2011MAME
39 TG   333700David Nelson 31/07/2005MAME
40 TG   320500Craig Dextradeur 17/04/2011MAME
41 MARP   307500NotMan14/11/2006MAME
42 TG   301500Robert Macauley 31/07/2005MAME
43 TG   300100Donald Hayes 31/07/2005MAME
44 MARP   299200Sampras@AIVA01/09/2000MAME
45 TG   292400Jason Micari 22/09/2012MAME
46 TG   290800Eric Akeson 05/06/2010ARCADE
47 TG   276300Wiebo de Wit 08/02/2005MAME
48 MARP   271700Tom Lindberg08/02/2005MAME
49 TG   260100Rodney Butler 08/02/2005MAME
50 TG   258200Riccardo Moretti 04/09/2006MAME
51 MARP TG 218300IUR Dhurin30/11/1999MAME
52 TG   213300Davilas Thanasis 08/02/2005MAME
53 MARP   192100Steve Krogman29/10/1998MAME
54 TG   187200Valter Treib 31/07/2005MAME
55 MARP   162800Ray Atkinson28/07/2002MAME
56 MARP   150100XXXSimmonsXXX17/01/2002MAME
57 TG   140000Rodrigo Lopes 30/09/2009MAME
58 TG   133300Steve Gumtow 04/06/2010ARCADE
59 MARP   125200Dith13/07/1998MAME
60 TG   123900William Grablauskas Jr. 08/02/2005MAME
61 TG   122600Matthew Green 01/07/2009MAME
62 TG   119200Chris Davis 04/01/2008MAME
63 TG   113200Ed Martin 23/07/2010MAME
64 TG   112000Louie Grubbs 31/07/2005MAME
65 RetroUprising   108000Jason Brittain  (http://www.twitch.tv\cheetah32p)29/8/2013MAME
66 TG   104900Jordi Schouteren 22/07/2008MAME
67 RetroUprising   96200dre day2227/11/2009MAME
68 TG   91900Torsten Edelmann 08/02/2005MAME
69 TG   88100Sébastien Giraud 31/07/2005MAME
70 RetroUprising   85500902silverminer15/11/2010MAME
71 TG   85500Ken Konechny 08/02/2005MAME
72 TG   85400Marc Ahles 08/02/2005MAME
73 TG   83700Joe McDonald 04/09/2008MAME
74 RetroUprising   72800Nick Sheils (http://www.twitch.tv\monstabonza)11/02/2013MAME
75 TG   69500Andrew Mee 31/07/2005MAME
76 RetroUprising   62400Ecinc2xxx07/11/2009MAME
77 TG   58300Justin Skidmore 31/05/2011MAME
78 TG   57900Darrin Redick 08/02/2005MAME
79 TG   56800John DenHartog 08/02/2005MAME
80 TG   56600peter dennett 31/07/2005MAME
81 TG   55000ryan gavigan 31/07/2005MAME
82 MARP   54200Frankie16/05/2001MAME
83 TG   52900John Rhodes 31/07/2005MAME
84 MARP   49000Oldie17/06/1998MAME
85 TG   45900Mr. Kelly R. Flewin04/06/2010ARCADE
86 TG   44700Terri Hyder 30/04/2009MAME
87 TG   44200Ron Corcoran 08/02/2005MAME
88 TG   42500kenneth chappel 19/03/2009MAME
89 RetroUprising   41100QUICKJUMP13/07/2011MAME
90 RetroUprising   38900KingRyanSteenbergh12/7/2011MAME
91 MARP   33700Griphin17/02/2006MAME
92 MARP   33500FOXMULDER22/08/2007MAME
93 MARP   32100Robby515007/11/2001MAME
94 TG   28800Phil Younger 31/07/2005MAME
95 TG   24900Koos van Dyk 18/04/2011MAME
96 RetroUprising   19500gardok09/10/2013MAME
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: marinomitch13 on November 11, 2013, 10:46:55 pm
I like your ideas for combining all the lists.

Though I'm not a CK player yet, I intend to be at some point in the future. I'd vote to allow for the floor-glitch skips.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: V3rby on November 12, 2013, 02:12:15 am
i think the floor skip glitch could be included, because i think the player takes a higher risk to do this glitch than he would take by playing "normaly".

also the "ladder glitch" should be allowed, even tho i'm not sure if it counts as a glitch anyway.

are there anymore glitches i forgot?

BTW. are we going to have only 1 list for CK in a particular version or also bootlegs and stuff?
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Dk_madness on November 12, 2013, 05:20:34 am
I think the list should be for the Crazy Kong Pt2 rom set. I also agree to allow the use of the warp glitch.
Does anyone have an idea of how many extra points the glitch would add overall?
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: JNugent on November 12, 2013, 05:40:28 am
Warp glitch must be included, in my opinion.  Actually, it could mean a decrease in points, depending on how one is playing. (Running boards or point pressing).  It's a feature of the game, there's no reason not to include it.  The hammer drop on the pie factory should be included.  I agree with Estel, the Crazy Kong HSL should only include the Crazy Kong part 2 romset (ckong).  There can be other lists for other variations eventually, but ckong is the 'definitive' version, IMO.  I love the idea of combining all of the scores from the different scoreboards, although there should be some solid proof of the score.  .inp for MAME submissions seems fair to me, although with different versions of MAME, I'm not sure this would always be an option.  I'll let someone else weigh in.  Great thread!
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Milehighdt on November 12, 2013, 09:09:51 am
The warp glitch should be included just for the fact of using it with point pressing will achieve the highest score. If we ever get into tracking speed runs the warp will be the way to go. I think an (*) could be used to indicate scores done without the use of the warp or hammer drop.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 12, 2013, 11:56:42 am
I was planing on doing tho for the crazy kong part 2 set.
I should have said that first. I am more than willing to do other clones but would like to get his list sorted first before I start on anything else.
Yeah I was thinking .inp to be supplied with mame submission, probably leave it to any wolf mame version just to keep the amount of mame versions in check. It will be advisable to stream all games although I understand this is not always possible.
And it's looking like we will allow all glitches to maximise the scoring potential of the game.
I can doa speed running list aswell if that what people want.
Nick
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 10:05:28 pm
Ok so Here is the list i have so far,
Feel free to pick it to pieces :)
  Rank     Source     Score       Player         Date  Platform
1 MARP   685200Phil Tudos (http://www.twitch.tv\ptdose)14/11/2011MAME
2 MARP TG 638700Ben Jos Walbeehm08/12/2001MAME
3 RetroUprising   631700Tim Sczerby (http://www.twitch.tv\mrsteddybear)17/05/2013MAME
4 MARP TG 624000Jeff Wolfe (http://www.twitch.tv\milehighdt)11/07/2000MAME
5 MARP   617100Estel Goffinet31/10/2013MAME
6 MARP TG 608900Chris Psaros (http://www.twitch.tv\chrisp_kreme)17/03/2012MAME
7 Aurcade   608500Jimmy Linderman25/03/2010ARCADE
8 TG   605600Kane Mawhinney 24/04/2011MAME
9 TG   597900John Western 21/05/2009MAME
10 Aurcade   579700Justin Knucklez07/08/2010ARCADE
11 Aurcade   576800JJ Cahill08/07/2010ARCADE
12 TG   575900Robbie Lakeman 01/09/2012ARCADE
13 MARP   567200Jason Nugent (http://www.twitch.tv\Jnugent74)17/10/2013MAME
14 Aurcade   566800Ben Falls (http://www.twitch.tv\syscrusher)20/03/2010ARCADE
15 MARP   566600Brian Allen (http://www.twitch.tv\simpsons99)11/11/2013MAME
16 MARP   559900John McNeill (http://www.twitch.tv\MrBumpNJump)14/03/2013MAME
17 MARP   549300Alessandro.S21/09/2008MAME
18 TG   544900John Marks 08/06/2010ARCADE
19 RetroUprising   524200CKF01/04/2013MAME
20 Aurcade   511600F Ochs 11/06/2010ARCADE
21 MARP TG 470000Alex Weir28/07/2005MAME
22 TG   457300Vignola Renzo31/07/2005MAME
23 TG   452500Timothy Davidson 24/02/2009MAME
24 MARP   446000Arjen Gnodde12/04/2001MAME
25 MARP   434700Crash18/07/1998MAME
26 MARP   428800Rich Simonek10/08/2013MAME
27 TG   424500Gregory Erway 31/07/2005MAME
28 MARP   416800RJM24/03/2013MAME
29 MARP   414200TJT10/06/2005MAME
30 TG   393500Jonathan Dunne 31/07/2005MAME
31 MARP TG 382100Robert T Mruczek28/01/2007MAME
32 TG   353900Tommi Tiihonen 31/07/2005MAME
33 MARP   353700Aspie09/09/2004MAME
34 MARP   346300gastrainga21/03/2008MAME
35 RetroUprising   341300Kernzy24/03/2013MAME
36 MARP   340500Michael Schmitt17/05/2013MAME
37 TG   336300Didia Loen 12/02/2010MAME
38 TG   336000Adam Wilmot 06/10/2011MAME
39 TG   333700David Nelson 31/07/2005MAME
40 TG   320500Craig Dextradeur 17/04/2011MAME
41 MARP   307500NotMan14/11/2006MAME
42 TG   301500Robert Macauley 31/07/2005MAME
43 TG   300100Donald Hayes 31/07/2005MAME
44 MARP   299200Sampras@AIVA01/09/2000MAME
45 TG   292400Jason Micari 22/09/2012MAME
46 TG   290800Eric Akeson 05/06/2010ARCADE
47 TG   276300Wiebo de Wit 08/02/2005MAME
48 MARP   271700Tom Lindberg08/02/2005MAME
49 TG   260100Rodney Butler 08/02/2005MAME
50 TG   258200Riccardo Moretti 04/09/2006MAME
51 MARP TG 218300IUR Dhurin30/11/1999MAME
52 TG   213300Davilas Thanasis 08/02/2005MAME
53 MARP   192100Steve Krogman29/10/1998MAME
54 MARP   187200TRB_MetroidTeam18/08/2005MAME
55 TG   187200Valter Treib 31/07/2005MAME
56 MARP   162800Ray Atkinson28/07/2002MAME
57 MARP   150100XXXSimmonsXXX17/01/2002MAME
58 TG   140000Rodrigo Lopes 30/09/2009MAME
59 TG   133300Steve Gumtow 04/06/2010ARCADE
60 MARP   125200Dith13/07/1998MAME
61 TG   123900William Grablauskas Jr. 08/02/2005MAME
62 TG   122600Matthew Green 01/07/2009MAME
63 TG   119200Chris Davis 04/01/2008MAME
64 RetroUprising   115800elrod2115/11/2010MAME
65 TG   113200Ed Martin 23/07/2010MAME
66 MARP   112500paul kearns 17/04/2013MAME
67 TG   112000Louie Grubbs 31/07/2005MAME
68 RetroUprising   108000Jason Brittain  (http://www.twitch.tv\cheetah32p)29/8/2013MAME
69 TG   104900Jordi Schouteren 22/07/2008MAME
70 RetroUprising   96200dre day2227/11/2009MAME
71 TG   91900Torsten Edelmann 08/02/2005MAME
72 TG   88100Sébastien Giraud 31/07/2005MAME
73 RetroUprising   85500902silverminer15/11/2010MAME
74 TG   85500Ken Konechny 08/02/2005MAME
75 TG   85400Marc Ahles 08/02/2005MAME
76 TG   83700Joe McDonald 04/09/2008MAME
77 RetroUprising   72800Nick Sheils (http://www.twitch.tv\monstabonza)11/02/2013MAME
78 TG   69500Andrew Mee 31/07/2005MAME
79 RetroUprising   62400Ecinc2xxx07/11/2009MAME
80 TG   58300Justin Skidmore 31/05/2011MAME
81 TG   57900Darrin Redick 08/02/2005MAME
82 TG   56800John DenHartog 08/02/2005MAME
83 TG   56600peter dennett 31/07/2005MAME
84 TG   55000ryan gavigan 31/07/2005MAME
85 MARP   54200Frankie16/05/2001MAME
86 TG   52900John Rhodes 31/07/2005MAME
87 MARP   49000Oldie17/06/1998MAME
88 TG   45900Mr. Kelly R. Flewin04/06/2010ARCADE
89 TG   44700Terri Hyder 30/04/2009MAME
90 TG   44200Ron Corcoran 08/02/2005MAME
91 TG   42500kenneth chappel 19/03/2009MAME
92 RetroUprising   41100QUICKJUMP13/07/2011MAME
93 RetroUprising   38900KingRyanSteenbergh12/7/2011MAME
94 MARP   33700Griphin17/02/2006MAME
95 MARP   33500FOXMULDER22/08/2007MAME
96 MARP   32100Robby515007/11/2001MAME
97 TG   28800Phil Younger 31/07/2005MAME
98 TG   24900Koos van Dyk 18/04/2011MAME
99 RetroUprising   19500gardok09/10/2013MAME
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: xelnia on November 20, 2013, 10:15:11 pm
Awesome list so far. I hope to get on it eventually. A few observations:


1) Brian Allen just recently killscreened the game with a score of 566,600. November 11, 2013. That score is on MARP. So, that would move his #55 score up to #15, just behind Ben Falls.
2) I believe Ben Falls' game was a killscreen.
3) Should we suggest the real names of MARP players if they have chosen to use a nickname on that site? I'm not sure what the etiquette is in that case.
4) I will suggest a correction to the 1st place name: Phil Tudose  ;D


Great work. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 10:25:58 pm
Ok 1,2 and 4 fixed.
As for 3 i'm not sure what the etiquette is for that.

And ill take a guess and say Everyone above Ben Falls Has got  killscreen but I couldn't say if there game was.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Milehighdt on November 20, 2013, 10:33:29 pm
My score date should be 7/11/00, those 2005 dates are when tg populated their DB
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 10:37:08 pm
Date Fixed

Was This A Kill Screen Game???
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: ChrisP on November 20, 2013, 10:40:02 pm
My score date should be March 17th, 2012. The date you have there is when I (finally) uploaded the game to MARP. I don't know why I waited so long, but you can check the INP (http://replay.marpirc.net/inp/e/6/3/cpx_ckongpt2_608900_wolf106.zip) if you wanna verify that!

My game was a 22-1 kill screen (as per TG rules at the time).

Very, very interesting list! I didn't know about a lot of these scores.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: ChrisP on November 20, 2013, 10:43:30 pm
And I see that you're going by dd/mm/yyyy. I support that.

I wish America would switch (like they should switch to the metric system), but you can't get Americans to do anything that makes sense.

(Note that Jeff phrased his as mm/dd/yyyy - should be July 11, 2000, ie, 11/07/2000 in your format)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 10:51:27 pm
Something is wrong with a formula in my sheet at the moment with the dates, some players are showing the date for the player directly above them alphabetically,
As for the date format it is all I have ever known.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 10:59:02 pm
Ok dates Should be a little better now.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 11:03:24 pm
Also I should note I have left of scores from retro uprising that finished before all men were dead as these people were only playing to complete level 1.
I have also implied a score base limit of 7650, if you can't beat the default score then sorry but go and practice a little more :(
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Milehighdt on November 20, 2013, 11:12:47 pm
My score date was July of 2000 but it is showing up as 2013, I'm not 100% but I think it was a KS. It might be easier if I just put up a better score. Maybe I can beat Phil and see if that gets him play some CK.  ;D 
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 20, 2013, 11:23:04 pm
Quote from: Milehighdt on November 20, 2013, 11:12:47 pm
My score date was July of 2000 but it is showing up as 2013, I'm not 100% but I think it was a KS.   ;D
That date problem was me being a retard and putting in in wrong, that will be the cause of the mistakes from here on in I believe.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Svavar on November 21, 2013, 04:12:50 am
I don't know what your submission rules are but I did a 573,000 kill screen last October 29. I don't have an .inp but I streamed it on twitch, you can see it here:

http://www.twitch.tv/sneikarmokko/c/3160945 (http://www.twitch.tv/sneikarmokko/c/3160945)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Dk_madness on November 21, 2013, 05:09:25 am
The list looks great. I agree with Jeff, I think an (*) should be used on the games that utilized the warp and/or hammer drop.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: V3rby on November 21, 2013, 07:42:03 am
i've got a score to submit, is an inp file okay, or should i stream the game aswell? =D
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 21, 2013, 11:28:48 am
Hi all
I will start adding an * to scores that use the warp or hammer drop. The only game I'm certain of if Tim's game which he states he used it to get to 22-4.

I am not in a position to start taking scores just yet but should be in a couple of days.
I have to type something up regarding submissions but an inp or full twitch recording should be fine(it's kinda up to everyone else to decide what is acceptable and what isn't, I'm no dictator) I also need to add A couple of the members games too so the list is not complete yet

If anyone can tell me any ks on the list and any game that uses glitches I will add the appropriate things to the list. Hopefully we are fully functioning by the end of the weekend but we'll see what happens.
Thank you all for your interest in this
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Shane_NC on November 21, 2013, 12:20:05 pm
My score needs to be put up on this list. I achieved a CK KS with the score of 487,700 on 8/31/13

the twitch archieve is here
http://www.twitch.tv/shane_nc/c/2847892 (http://www.twitch.tv/shane_nc/c/2847892)

I did not use any level skips, hammer drops, or ladder glitches
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Simpsons99 on November 21, 2013, 01:47:36 pm
very nice I love the Crazy Kong High score board ..
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Dk_madness on November 21, 2013, 02:27:07 pm
I did not use the warp or the hammer drop for my KS
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: ChrisP on November 21, 2013, 03:39:50 pm
I wasn't aware that the hammer drop had any controversy around it.

I didn't use it in my game (FWIW), because I felt at the time that it was break-even in the long run and not worth the aggravation, but hammer-dropping isn't even against TG rules.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: gstrain on November 21, 2013, 08:02:50 pm
Quote from: ChrisP on November 21, 2013, 03:39:50 pm
I wasn't aware that the hammer drop had any controversy around it.

I didn't use it in my game (FWIW), because I felt at the time that it was break-even in the long run and not worth the aggravation, but hammer-dropping isn't even against TG rules.
Should we put *'s next to all the DK scores that leech next to Kong's foot?  If it's in the game, it's in the game.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: ChrisP on November 21, 2013, 08:44:33 pm
I think there is a fairness issue involved with the asterisk, since some of us (like myself) have scores that would have been 15K or so higher if we had NOT been forced to adhere to TG's "no warp" rule at the time of the run.

My 608,900 game would probably be 622K to 625K (4th or 5th, below Sczerby but somewhere neck-and-neck with Jeff Wolfe) if I'd been able to do the floor-jump, as they did on their games.

It was a mistake to ever forbid it (IMO), but the damage is grandfathered-in already, so it's probably fair to make note of it.

But the hammer drop was never forbidden or considered questionable so I don't think that should have any bearing on the HS table.


EDIT: I just F10'd through my 608,900 game, made a save state at the 22-1 "HOW HIGH" screen, then did a "what-if" from there. I ended up with 625,100 when the 22-4 KS kicked in. ;D
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Milehighdt on November 21, 2013, 10:17:40 pm
Chris the warp was allowed by TG back when I got my score but I messed it up and that ended the game at the normal KS. Later when TG changed the rules they got rid of Ben Jos's score for warping and mine just for trying to warp.

I thought TG prohibited the hammer drop but I haven't looked at their rules for CK in a long time.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: ChrisP on November 21, 2013, 10:59:15 pm
Oh, OK, I didn't realize they'd DQ'ed you just for TRYING to warp! That's funny.

Pretty amazing that you got 624K in 2000.

I remember checking the TG rules when I first started putting scores up in 2011 because I wanted to be sure to follow them exactly, and that was something I specifically wanted to know about. Nothing about the hammer-drop.

It DID say that the level skip was forbidden, and that "this trick is performed on the barrel and conveyor stages." I always thought that was weird, because there's no way to skip levels on conveyors (as far as I know at least). But maybe that's somehow a reference to the hammer-drop?
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Milehighdt on November 21, 2013, 11:26:18 pm
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Oh, OK, I didn't realize they'd DQ'ed you just for TRYING to warp! That's funny.

At the time I thought it was only done to get someone a top score and decided I wanted no part of the classic arcade crowd but several people spoke up to defend my score (couldn't speak for myself ,didn't have account). Funny now.

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I remember checking the TG rules when I first started putting scores up in 2011 because I wanted to be sure to follow them exactly, and that was something I specifically wanted to know about. Nothing about the hammer-drop.

Good to know since TG is down

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maybe that's somehow a reference to the hammer-drop?


 I bet your correct about the conveyor skip being a reference to the hammer drop, just not typed up correctly.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: xelnia on November 22, 2013, 12:52:31 am
I SWEAR I read somewhere online that it was possible to fall through the bottom floor on the conveyors and pass the level, but it wasn't something that was as controllable as the barrel floor skip. I can't seem to find that now, but maybe this will jog someone's memory. If it's true, that might be why TG listed the conveyor stage in its requirements.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: John73 on November 22, 2013, 03:28:48 am
Great list Nick.  Donkey Kong without the boring Leg Humping that goes with DK.

When is the CK Off happening?  I'm in (because I may finish in top 10)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: JNugent on November 22, 2013, 08:09:31 am
I'm loving the looks of this list!  Nice job!  Now, to move up in the ranks!  #13 is unacceptable... ;)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
So i'm just going to jot down some submission rules and see what everyone thinks.

1. scores uploaded to twin galaxies\Marp\Aurcade\RetroUprising will automatically be accepted to the list
2. Mame submissions to be done in wolfmame 106 or higher only.
3. Mame submissions to be accompanied with Inp and wlf where applicable.
4. It is preferable that games are streamed live although not mandatory.
5. Arcade submissions must be streamed live and must show 1 full cycle of attract mode either before or after game is played.
6. All known warps\Glitches ARE allowed. eg. Level skip, Hammer Drop, ladder cheat.
7. A kill screen game will be defined as a game that reaches lvl 22, if you die trying to level skip ill give it to you.
8. I will check all submissions for correct settings and the score and lvl reached before adding to the List.
9. ANY SCORE on the list may be challenged and put under further scrutiny if a player thinks something is wrong.




That's what i have so far its preety relaxed rule set but it seems to be what people are after
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: JNugent on November 22, 2013, 02:23:37 pm
Quote from: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
6. All known warps\Glitches ARE allowed. eg. Level skip, Hammer Drop, ladder cheat.
7. A kill screen game will be defined as a game that reaches lvl 22, if you die trying to level skip ill give it to you.

^^^^^^^^
Woo hoo doggy!  Love it!
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: marinomitch13 on November 22, 2013, 04:34:24 pm
Love it. I think simply having a 'challenge score' clause like you do will help deal with a multitude of problems.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: gstrain on November 22, 2013, 05:47:02 pm
Quote from: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
So i'm just going to jot down some submission rules and see what everyone thinks.

1. scores uploaded to twin galaxies\Marp\Aurcade\RetroUprising will automatically be accepted to the list
I like RetroUprising a lot, but the one potential problem with RetroUprising scores is that you're allowed to pause during recordings there which you can't do for TG, MARP, Aurcade or any other real arcade.  I'm not sure how concerned folks are about that, and maybe there's a way to distinguish RetroUprising scores that had a pause and disallow those for submissions.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: danman123456 on November 22, 2013, 06:10:41 pm
Hey I want to join!

558,200 KS here :D

http://www.twitch.tv/danman123456/c/3222599 (http://www.twitch.tv/danman123456/c/3222599)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Simpsons99 on November 22, 2013, 07:12:56 pm
Quote from: gstrain on November 22, 2013, 05:47:02 pm
Quote from: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
So i'm just going to jot down some submission rules and see what everyone thinks.

1. scores uploaded to twin galaxies\Marp\Aurcade\RetroUprising will automatically be accepted to the list
I like RetroUprising a lot, but the one potential problem with RetroUprising scores is that you're allowed to pause during recordings there which you can't do for TG, MARP, Aurcade or any other real arcade.  I'm not sure how concerned folks are about that, and maybe there's a way to distinguish RetroUprising scores that had a pause and disallow those for submissions.

Yeah the hole Pausing thing is a major thing to consider..  Taking breaks and eating , Bathroom that kind of thing .

Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Josephjo on November 22, 2013, 07:28:34 pm
Quote from: Simpsons99 on November 22, 2013, 07:12:56 pm
Quote from: gstrain on November 22, 2013, 05:47:02 pm
Quote from: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 01:11:43 pm
So i'm just going to jot down some submission rules and see what everyone thinks.

1. scores uploaded to twin galaxies\Marp\Aurcade\RetroUprising will automatically be accepted to the list
I like RetroUprising a lot, but the one potential problem with RetroUprising scores is that you're allowed to pause during recordings there which you can't do for TG, MARP, Aurcade or any other real arcade.  I'm not sure how concerned folks are about that, and maybe there's a way to distinguish RetroUprising scores that had a pause and disallow those for submissions.

Yeah the hole Pausing thing is a major thing to consider..  Taking breaks and eating , Bathroom that kind of thing .

Pauses are registered when a player submits a score at RU. I've Pm'd Nick the details of which ones on his list (2) were paused during gameplay.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: gstrain on November 22, 2013, 07:50:29 pm
Quote from: Josephjo on November 22, 2013, 07:28:34 pm
Quote from: gstrain on November 22, 2013, 05:47:02 pm
I like RetroUprising a lot, but the one potential problem with RetroUprising scores is that you're allowed to pause during recordings there which you can't do for TG, MARP, Aurcade or any other real arcade.  I'm not sure how concerned folks are about that, and maybe there's a way to distinguish RetroUprising scores that had a pause and disallow those for submissions.
Pauses are registered when a player submits a score at RU. I've Pm'd Nick the details of which ones on his list (2) were paused during gameplay.
Thanks JosephJo!  I'd forgot you were a member here or else I would have asked you first :)
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: lakeman421 on November 22, 2013, 10:14:16 pm
My best is 616,500 om MAME I streamed it live about a year ago, but it isn't saved all I have is a picture.  I will have to maybe get back into it again and go for a higher score.
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 22, 2013, 11:04:00 pm
Ok first a big thanks to josephjo, who has offered to check all RU scores for pausing.
This should put peoples minds at ease.
He has also offered that he will verify and upload to youtube any "monster scores" so that should be a little incentive.
Here is a little update to the submission rules let me know if anything is missing.

1. This list is for Crazy Kong Part 2 Falcon bootleg
2. scores uploaded to twin galaxies\Marp\Aurcade\RetroUprising will automatically be accepted to the list
3. Mame submissions to be done in wolfmame 106 or higher only.
4. Mame submissions to be accompanied with Inp and wlf where applicable.
5. Pausing is not allowed in mame, if you try on RetroUprising we will find out.
6. It is preferable that games are streamed live although not mandatory.
7. Arcade submissions must be streamed live and must show 1 full cycle of attract mode either before or after game is played.
8. All known warps\Glitches ARE allowed. eg. Level skip, Hammer Drop, ladder cheat.
9. A kill screen game will be defined as a game that reaches lvl 22, if you die trying to level skip ill give it to you.
10. I will check all submissions for correct settings and the score and lvl reached before adding to the List.
11. ANY SCORE on the list may be challenged and put under further scrutiny if a player thinks something is wrong.


If everyone is happy with this, ill start taking submissions.
Nick
Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: Monstabonza on November 25, 2013, 09:18:32 pm
OK This post is regarding Svavar and Shane's submissions and Probably Dan's to but he may hae the .Inp file.

First of all i'll start this by saying I am convinced that all three games are legit games by watching them although I have no hard evidence.
Now on the current rules I guess they are not allowed.
So i am suggesting the rules need refining a little.
This is not me trying to fabricate new rules to have these scores on the list but rather to have the best and fairest Submission rules.
It is not really my intent to have a list that will omit legitimate scores due to finding a technicality,
So im going to suggest something along the lines of.

Games that are Streamed Live that do not specifically fit the the rules above may be put to the community to decide the outcome. 
People who witness game live, actual stream highlight and anything else may be submitted to help your case. All scores submitted this way will have the stream and CV listed as the Source. CV will stand for Community Validated.

If anyone has any ideas i'm all ears, This is not my list rather the users list so lets see if we can come up with something.

Nick

Title: Re: Crazy Kong High Score List Discussion
Post by: danman123456 on November 26, 2013, 12:17:56 pm
Hmm I'm not sure I still have the INP for that game or not to be honest. If I do its on my external HDD at home and I'll upload it if I do have it. Otherwise I do have the whole game on twitch. If not I'll replay it because I intend on trying to break 700k one day.

Dan