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Related Games => Crazy Kong => Topic started by: ChrisP on August 30, 2013, 03:03:13 am
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I speedran the game tonight, just to see how long it would take (and because I missed Crazy Kong).
http://www.twitch.tv/chrisp_kreme/b/453648733 (http://www.twitch.tv/chrisp_kreme/b/453648733) EDIT: Link is dead. Forgot to "Save Forever" the video, sorry. (Not that anybody is likely to be clamoring to watch this...)
0:03:42-1:08:10 = 1 hour, 4 minutes, 28 seconds
This time can be beaten of course, but I figured I'd set an easy bar if anybody wants to go after it.
I had an extra man at the end, so I even jumped through the floor and played the three extra boards! Under an hour is definitely possible, in any case.
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Hey Chris,
I noticed you began using the "jump trough the floor" trick on the barrel stage and then switched to running the barrel boards after.
If someone was to use this methood on every barrel screen up to the kill screen would it be considered valid?
I began playing crazy kong today for the first time and that trick worked all the way to lvl 12, (my deaths were from a wild barrel, and the rest were rivet deaths)
I just wanted to check if the "jump trough floor" trick was valid for beating this time you set and also if it made a killscreen valid/invalid (basically is it frowned upon to use it) because I plan on kill screening the game (hopefully) using that methood and just wanted to be clear on its use.
Thanks.
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Im pretty sure the barrel warp trick is not allowed. He used it then restarted the run and never used it. Most ppl frown apon its use.
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Ah ok,
thanks Shane
Yeah, I wasn't sure about peoples position on it,
Il be sure to play the barrel boards out,
thanks buddy :)
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For Twin Galaxies submissions, and most likely any other competition, you may NOT use the floor glitch. This was not always the case though.
In fact, I have a little bone to pick with the new TG about this!
Here's the current scoreboard:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/scoreboard/crazy-kong-set-1/mame/7712/ (http://www.twingalaxies.com/scoreboard/crazy-kong-set-1/mame/7712/)
When the old TG went down, it was Jeff, Phil, and myself in the top 3 spots.
Now an old score by Ben Jos Wahlbeehm has returned to 1st place, in which he used the floor glitch on L22 to bypass the 22-1 kill screen and get the extra points for that board, 22-2, 22-3 and whatever points he was able to get on 22-4 before the "unavoidable" kill screen kicks in on the rivets.
The score was removed by the old TG for that reason, but it's now back as the world record, which isn't fair because Ben was able to use that tactic whereas Jeff, Phil, and me (and everybody else) were not. Jeff should be in 1st.
Plus, Jeff is listed as 2nd and 3rd place with two different scores, which needs to be fixed as well.
So I'm in 5th, where I should be 3rd!
It's a conspiracy!
(I don't ACTUALLY care, because Phil destroyed the game on MARP, and there are a million people who could beat my score if they wanted to, but it's worth pointing out...)
As for this game here, it was a speedrun, so as far as I'm concerned, anything goes.
You may not have noticed, but in the run that got to the end I didn't use the floor glitch until L22. I tried it a few times and kept dying/restarting and got annoyed so I just played it straight on the actual run (which starts after 3 minutes and 42 seconds of screwing up the jump).
I opted to not use the floor glitch until L22 only because it involves significant risk. You either do it right, or you're dead. Nothing in between.
I think I said something along these lines during the stream, but while I can do it 99% of the time when I'm just messing around, I'll die the second I try to do it in a real game. (It never fails.) So I avoid it because it's obnoxious and just running the board instead is a lot less risky.
But if somebody wants to go for it in a speedrun, they should be able to do it I think, especially BECAUSE of the fact that it adds risk. Whatever gets you through faster...
I used the ladder trick though, because again, speed was the objective, and really, it's only *slightly* harder to run the board without it. That may not be true in DK, but in CK barrel boards are incredibly easy either way. No point wasting time.
This time should still be pretty easy to beat. I left a lot on the table. Which was my point. :) I just wanted to establish a time to beat.
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Thanks for the clarifiation Chris and Shane.
Im glad you cleared things up reguarding my origional post,
I will go about the barrel boards the same way ya'll did, also thats a shame about the TG scoreboard :(
Hopefully they get it straighend out however it seems alot of scores on there have sat idle for quite some time which is a shame
Cheers for the fast replys.
Adam.
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Although I have no real experience with this game, I'd like to go ahead an extend my agreement with Chris_P's statement...
The true heart of a "speedrun" involves executing glitches found in the public release versions of the software. The majority of games that are actively "run" in the speed-running community (drawing 100,000's of viewers) have "tracks" that involve the use of some, if not all, of the possible glitches. For most of these games, multiple tracks exist, such as warpless, 100% completion, any %, etc.
The exclusion of these "glitches" is the reason that TG has no connection to the speedrunning community.
My beliefs:
Categorize it accordingly and let no one tell you it's not an accomplishment. The fastest speedrun, with the use of the floor glitch, is still an amazing feat, due to the precision of the jump. Those who know anything about a game will understand that comparing a floor glitched speedrun to a non-floor glitched is like apples to oranges. I would advocate the creating of both categories, as they are different and unique, but both acceptable speedrun categories.
Here is where I will sound really crazy :D
Why not create a category for DK SET 1 or any Kong variant, that allows the use of invincibility. Wht da?
It wouldn't be about avoiding death, purely about maximizing points. Let a barrel roll straight thru you so you could backjump for 800pts a frame or two later. Wait out every hammer, rejump as much as you can, its not about risk, its about maximization. This may be far-fetched, but the point is, any variant should be openly welcomed, assuming it's categorized accordingly; look at Mitchell's list of misc. challenges.
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Exactly, Ethan. I agree with all of your above comments. My challenge list is a great example to bring up. And that is just the tip of the iceberg! I have so many more distinctions I eventually want and NEED to make in that list. ;)
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Just to be absolutely sure, I downloaded/watched some of Ben Jos's 2001 game from MARP (the one TG credits as the WR), and I can confirm that he did indeed use the floor glitch on L22.
Great game!
Even without the extra boards he'd still be 3rd (a very close 3rd).
Cool that there was a guy hitting the Kongs this hard, all by himself, back in 2001.
Heck, maybe he deserves to be the "honorary" MAME world record just for that... I won't press the issue with TG, in any case.
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Someone definitely has to connect up with him and get him back into the scene. I mean, he can't be completely oblivious to how big the DK scene has become, can he!?
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Someone definitely has to connect up with him and get him back into the scene. I mean, he can't be completely oblivious to how big the DK scene has become, can he!?
Perhaps you missed this thread over at CAGDC, but it sounds like he's never coming back...
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404 (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404)
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Wow... that's a bummer. Maybe someone can just discreetly get a link to the DKF to him so he can just get a feel of the atmosphere himself. I'm sure everyone here would be welcoming of him.
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OMG, that post is incredible! (Thread is good too - there's a YouTube link to the end of Steve Wiebe's 947K game.)
How is it possible that I'd never seen either of those things before?? I've been scouring the crap out of these forums and YouTube for years and somehow missed those gems.
Also, fuck me dead, I love that Ben, the original DK "King of MAME", started out on CK and considers DK "just a clone." ;D
Love it!
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Wow sucks that he got treated like that. Life has it's way of getting in the way. I don't play near the amount I'd like to but still get a true game in a week. Working 7 days a week really prevented me from even attempting to play for the kong offs. If I'm not working I have my kids so not really playing much when I got them so time has really been my achillies heel!
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BenJos still occasionally (but rarely) would drop by the #marp irc channel a few years ago and chat. I'm not sure if he still does since I'm almost never on the channel anymore. He's well aware of KOK and the progression of scores afterwards and he posted some comments implying he'd played enough exploring point pressing to be sure he could go 1M+ (this was when only a few folks had). He's pretty much completely moved on from the gaming scene though and hasn't actively played anything at MARP in years.
-George
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Id still love to see him cone out of nowhere about put up a million game. Probably won't happen but would be cool.
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Im pretty sure the barrel warp trick is not allowed. He used it then restarted the run and never used it. Most ppl frown apon its use.
TG does not allow for the use of the warp trick on the CK barrel boards, ( however if Billy or Steve used it to set a WR......"THEN"..... it would be o.k.)
It doesn't make sense to not include it.
Theres no way one can get a high ranking score using it on every barrel board so I say use it if you want.....you'll never ever hit a WR using it anyway.
One is better off score wise pressing the barrel boards in CK. Then on L=22-1, use the warp trick on the barrel board, clear the KS and advance to the next screen. The real KS would be the L=22-4 rivets. One could get about an extra 15k by making the level 22-4 rivet screen as the kill screen.
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Someone definitely has to connect up with him and get him back into the scene. I mean, he can't be completely oblivious to how big the DK scene has become, can he!?
Perhaps you missed this thread over at CAGDC, but it sounds like he's never coming back...
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404 (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404)
This was an interesting read. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore. I put up with ALOT of crud from the gamming community when I spoke out 6 years ago. Only a handfull of people though enough to actually check it out and find I was right.
Too bad Ben didn't have connections in the film Business and was able to buy his way in like Steve. Slip Walter, Billy and Steve Saunders some cash and he would've been let into the inner circle.
I know how he feels. YES! DK will always be a BIll vs Steve thing seeing as the scamumentary is considered a timless classic by the gulible sheep.
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Someone definitely has to connect up with him and get him back into the scene. I mean, he can't be completely oblivious to how big the DK scene has become, can he!?
Perhaps you missed this thread over at CAGDC, but it sounds like he's never coming back...
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404 (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404)
This was an interesting read. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore. I put up with ALOT of crud from the gamming community when I spoke out 6 years ago. Only a handfull of people though enough to actually check it out and find I was right.
Too bad Ben didn't have connections in the film Business and was able to buy his way in like Steve. Slip Walter, Billy and Steve Saunders some cash and he would've been let into the inner circle.
I know how he feels. YES! DK will always be a BIll vs Steve thing seeing as the scamumentary is considered a timless classic by the gulible sheep.
Last warning Tim. Stop trying to derail every thread you post in with the KoK rant. Everyone is tired of it.
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How did I derail the subject? I just shared a similar experience related to the previously posted artical. What I stated was 100% fact and true.
I know people are upset with me because I was never supposed to be able to prove anything from the start. It was supposed to be a "he said.........she said"............thing with TG and picturehouse getting the benifit of the doubt if I ever spoke out.
I wish I had the money and connections in the film business , I'd make a Dig Dug documentary and use only Don Hayes and Dwayne Richards.................Ken House, his score NEVER counted............eveyone disputes his score :).....then laugh in your face as I get away with it.
Thing of it is, Dwayne actually has something Billy, Walter and Steve don't ..........that's Character........so he wouldn't let you get screwed like that.
Dwayne told those TG and movie scammers to shove it when he was offered to sell out .....he didn' sell out..........one more reason hes one of the best classic arcade gamers of all time. Billy sold out.
Then you can
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I wish I had the money and connections in the film business , I'd make a Dig Dug documentary and use only Don Hayes and Dwayne Richards.................Ken House, his score NEVER counted............eveyone disputes his score :).....then laugh in your face as I get away with it.
You cannot think I would give two shits about that really?!? I am 100% secure in who I am and what I can do/have done. Even with that, I dont base my self worth around what other people say or do or on any particular video game accomplishment. If they could make a few bucks off dig dug and they skipped over my score BFD. I'm not in it for the money OBVIOUSLY.
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Dude, Tim, I have a serious suggestion for you:
Take a look at George Riley's 'Argumentation Blog'. For a while he was either arguing about stuff all the time or making everything about DK3 and people got kinda annoyed by it. However, at the time, I suggested that he just make his own blog and instead post any potentially-derailing comments in his blog. It worked well for him until he eventually stopped debating as much (which is why it isn't really active anymore), but it served it's purpose well while it was in use! You should just do this with any sort of thing you want to make a comment related to KoK about that would be probably de-railing. Make a blog. Use it liberally. Please. For the sake of everyone. :)
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I was looking at the list of recent posts, saw two by Tim, one by Jeff, and one by Ken, and I thought, there is no way that Tim could get a KOK reference into that Crazy Kong Speed Run thread. I clicked and lo and behold. LOL. Whatever may have occurred in the past, I really don't want to continue hearing Billy, Steve, and Walter spoken of in such negative terms. You have stated your peace, Tim, and everyone knows. You seem to use just about anything to springboard (no DK Jr reference intended :D) your anti-KOK agenda. I would not question any warnings you get here. I am sure we are all pretty serious about the overall environment at the DKF. Make Tim stop posting about the KOK, please God, please God. :P
I wonder how many of Tim's 111 posts are KOK related? hmmmmm
A speed run on Crazy Kong! Love it! Thanks for posting this Chris.
I agree with Ethan, having different tracks that all for glitches etc, would allow TG to connect with these other communities. In fact I would like to think that TG would want to open up to all of the gaming communities that it can. I would like to see that for sure.
I would especially be interested in seeing a Dig Dug Documentary staring our very own, Ken House. Love it! :D
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Im pretty sure the barrel warp trick is not allowed. He used it then restarted the run and never used it. Most ppl frown apon its use.
TG does not allow for the use of the warp trick on the CK barrel boards, ( however if Billy or Steve used it to set a WR......"THEN"..... it would be o.k.)
It doesn't make sense to not include it.
Theres no way one can get a high ranking score using it on every barrel board so I say use it if you want.....you'll never ever hit a WR using it anyway.
One is better off score wise pressing the barrel boards in CK. Then on L=22-1, use the warp trick on the barrel board, clear the KS and advance to the next screen. The real KS would be the L=22-4 rivets. One could get about an extra 15k by making the level 22-4 rivet screen as the kill screen.
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Someone definitely has to connect up with him and get him back into the scene. I mean, he can't be completely oblivious to how big the DK scene has become, can he!?
Perhaps you missed this thread over at CAGDC, but it sounds like he's never coming back...
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404 (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,1437.msg23404.html#msg23404)
This was an interesting read. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother anymore. I put up with ALOT of crud from the gamming community when I spoke out 6 years ago. Only a handfull of people though enough to actually check it out and find I was right.
Too bad Ben didn't have connections in the film Business and was able to buy his way in like Steve. Slip Walter, Billy and Steve Saunders some cash and he would've been let into the inner circle.
I know how he feels. YES! DK will always be a BIll vs Steve thing seeing as the scamumentary is considered a timless classic by the gulible sheep.
Cry baby bullshit
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How did I derail the subject? I just shared a similar experience related to the previously posted artical. What I stated was 100% fact and true.
I know people are upset with me because I was never supposed to be able to prove anything from the start. It was supposed to be a "he said.........she said"............thing with TG and picturehouse getting the benifit of the doubt if I ever spoke out.
I wish I had the money and connections in the film business , I'd make a Dig Dug documentary and use only Don Hayes and Dwayne Richards.................Ken House, his score NEVER counted............eveyone disputes his score :).....then laugh in your face as I get away with it.
Thing of it is, Dwayne actually has something Billy, Walter and Steve don't ..........that's Character........so he wouldn't let you get screwed like that.
Dwayne told those TG and movie scammers to shove it when he was offered to sell out .....he didn' sell out..........one more reason hes one of the best classic arcade gamers of all time. Billy sold out.
Then you can