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Related Games => Donkey Kong Junior => Topic started by: marinomitch13 on April 20, 2013, 11:22:33 pm
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Congrats to Mike on getting 1,349,000 live while streaming at the Kencade!!!
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Congrats Mike! Awesome job!
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Congratulations Kasper!!
That will cost you $60 sir.
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Wow, congrats indeed.
Not totally surprised after watching the last attempt/s, If only i'd known it was streaming!
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Congratulations Kasper!!
That will cost you $60 sir.
You beat me to it. ;D
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So, since Ken was there watching the game, does that mean it was verified for free? Otherwise, this would be the perfect opportunity to not submit out of protest that people were talking about. I hate to do this to my friends (Jourdan and Richie), but it's gotta take something like someone sitting on a WR and not submitting in protest to get their attention and show how serious gamers are about this. :-\
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congrats well played Mike!
8)
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Congrats, Great Score! Wonder how much further it can be pushed up?
I believe Ken's house is recognized as a live arcade venue, so there wouldn't be a charge for the score.
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That's a really, really, really, nice score! Very awesome job! Again, Mike just hit it out of the park if that is his score. Very cool beans. 8)
Edit: We are talking about Donkey Kong Junior. LOL
For people 30 years from now who will be wondering what in the world Make Kasper got a World Record in.
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Thanks everyone for the support and encouragement and all the nice words ! And a special Thank you to KEN HOUSE. for the belief and support. the use of the mame for the practice and the arcade to set the WR's in ( we have been through a lot in 30+ yrs. glad to have you back in this chapter of my life ). And a ty and shout out to the previous WR holder. MARK KIEHL ! WHAT a class act. TY for the advice. and the help. and the support while trying to take your record. I will be doing the same for you as you attempt to take it back ! GL my friend !
Now on to the next world record HEHE
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Congrats, Mike! Obviously the potential for higher scores is there as well! Perhaps Junior will see scores over 1.4 million! Thanks for the props, and good luck with Mappy! haha ;D
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It was just happenstance that I tuned in. I was in the middle of stuff but he was at 700K+ and well over pace so I had to watch the rest!
As for the "fee", the Kencade is one of the officially-sanctioned arcades, and Ken himself is a ref. So the score is already official and verified.
Wow! I had never heard of this player before BOTA and now this. That escalated quickly.
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Nice job, Mike! I have been watching you play and I knew you would do it. Sorry I missed it live. Congrats for sure!
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Wow, saw parts of that. Had no idea you came close to getting 20,000 extra on the last level. Very nice game indeed. Your very much advanced than me on this game. Even your crummy games are way better than my awesome games. Congrats on this. I really hope you get big time your name out there for what you have done.
Edit: One thing. I do find Mike Kasper very entertaining for a classic arcade game player. I swear if the Kong Off III has a commentator it has to be Mike Kasper. Not only is his commentary awesome, but he sounds like Dan Patrick!
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Congrads Mike.
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I agree with Geoge. Mike would make an incredible KO3 announcer!
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I am hoping to qualify for KO3 but if i dont :( I am down for announcing. :)
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Congrats, Mike! :)
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Congrats Mike! Would love to meet you if you make it to KO3.
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There's an article up about it already but the score has yet to be added to the database:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/donkey-kong-junior-world-record-falls-hard/ (http://www.twingalaxies.com/donkey-kong-junior-world-record-falls-hard/)
Congrats Mike.
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This is great, i'm looking forward to seeing how far Mike, Mark, George etc can push the score up.
Time for a bit of The Clash....
' Rock the Kasper '
' Rock the Kasper '
8)
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Great post!
The quest Starts. :)This is great, i'm looking forward to seeing how far Mike, Mark, George etc can push the score up.
Time for a bit of The Clash....
' Rock the Kasper '
' Rock the Kasper '
8)
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This is great, i'm looking forward to seeing how far Mike, Mark, George etc can push the score up.
Time for a bit of The Clash....
' Rock the Kasper '
' Rock the Kasper '
8)
Perhaps it's also time to start planning a documentary sequel:
"Chasing Kasper & Other Friendly Ghosts"
I've always wanted to sit in a director's chair and yell, "Action!", "Cut!", and stuff like that. 8)
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I dislike the Title!
This is great, i'm looking forward to seeing how far Mike, Mark, George etc can push the score up.
Time for a bit of The Clash....
' Rock the Kasper '
' Rock the Kasper '
8)
Perhaps it's also time to start planning a documentary sequel:
"Chasing Kasper & Other Friendly Ghosts"
I've always wanted to sit in a director's chair and yell, "Action!", "Cut!", and stuff like that. 8)
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I dislike the Title!
Ok, how about a picture? More appealing, even worse, or just as blah?
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/mars_hotel/chasing_kasper_zps5e83e878.jpg)
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I dislike the hole subject to be completely truthfull!
I dislike the Title!
Ok, how about a picture? More appealing, even worse, or just as blah?
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/mars_hotel/chasing_kasper_zps5e83e878.jpg)
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I dislike the hole subject to be completely truthfull!
Fair enough.
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http://www.twingalaxies.com/donkey-kong-junior-world-record-falls-hard/ (http://www.twingalaxies.com/donkey-kong-junior-world-record-falls-hard/)
Whoah there, aritcle! Whose score did Kasper "crush"? How long had that record held? How much did it "fall hard" by, exactly? For how long had he been making attempts?
Will we ever get answers to these questions???
I guess we all just has to dig in and wait for them, until that moment come.
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it wasn’t until 2010 that Steve Wiebe and Mark Kiehl proved without a doubt that scores over a million were not only probable but attainable.
Poor Ike...
And also, poor 2008 and 2009.
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She just had to mention Calvin Frampton, followed by the statement, "it wasn’t until 2010 that Steve Wiebe and Mark Kiehl proved without a doubt that scores over a million were not only probable but attainable."
There's so much wrong here, both in her logic and diction.
Cat DeSpira, try harder, or you will get booed off the stage.
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We all know how i feel about the frampton score but the article was pretty good as far as i'm concerned.
Great Job Mike.
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I will certainly give props to the article, on principle of there being an article, and I'm glad to see Mike's achievement on the front page.
I will also laugh at myself as I have now spotted a highly-ironic typo in my earlier post ("aritcle"). Nice one, hotshot...
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We all know how i feel about the frampton score but the article was pretty good as far as i'm concerned.
Great Job Mike.
Don't worry Ken, I have a very strong feeling that this is just the first of many articles written about Mike. Your long time friend is a natural at classic gaming.
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She just had to mention Calvin Frampton, followed by the statement, "it wasn’t until 2010 that Steve Wiebe and Mark Kiehl proved without a doubt that scores over a million were not only probable but attainable."
There's so much wrong here, both in her logic and diction.
Cat DeSpira, try harder, or you will get booed off the stage.
Yeah I don't get the Calvin Frampton plug. Just because she had some involvement with researching this guy's score... There is no reason it should be mentioned in this article at all. Mark was the past champion.
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Don't worry Ken, I have a very strong feeling that this is just the first of many articles written about Mike. Your long time friend is a natural at classic gaming.
Hear, hear. Mike's a force - both naturally good and devoted.
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Yeah I don't get the Calvin Frampton plug. Just because she had some involvement with researching this guy's score... There is no reason it should be mentioned in this article at all. Mark was the past champion.
Just so everyone knows what we're talking about, here is the classic thread that started it all:
http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,2243.0.html (http://www.classicarcadegaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,2243.0.html)
If you look at the rest of Cat's work and, uh, activism (for lack of a better word), you'll note that she has a preoccupation/fascination with the romantic "lost history" archetype, and enjoys casting herself in the role of the lone voice struggling against opposing forces that are clamoring to silence and suppress it. You'll see this "Cat vs. the World" (and "The World vs. Cat") narrative repeating itself again and again.
Not a value judgment, and she practically describes herself that way (if not in those words), but that's kinda her "thing", and the elements of the Calvin Frampton story make it irresistible to her.
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I'm definitely more inclined to believe Calvin's score now than when that thread first started. Reading back through I spotted numerous incorrect assumptions (some made by me) as to what constitutes a perfect game of DKJr.
Maybe he did do it with only hideout point-pressing.
Now I'm curious why the score was removed from TG. There are other Jr scores from the 80s mentioned in that thread, yet no Jr score from the 80s which eclipsed Billy's 80s score survived in the TG database. I'm just going to assume - until someone sets me straight - this was part of another evil Billy Mitchell plan.
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I'm definitely more inclined to believe Calvin's score now than when that thread first started. Reading back through I spotted numerous incorrect assumptions (some made by me) as to what constitutes a perfect game of DKJr.
Yeah, I read some of the thread yet again, and I go back and forth. It's maddening actually, in that there are way too many things to support the pro-Frampton case to cry "bogus", yet there's so much that doesn't add up, and no smoking gun either way!
The best piece of evidence in his favor is the newspaper clipping that includes the score and the assertion that the game was 3 and a half hours long. The time is really key there, because 3 and a half hours is just about right for a game that big, and the simple fact that such a specific detail is not-wrong strongly supports the claim. Good on Cat for finding that clipping from an actual local non-video gamey news source because it's impossible to discount, whereas a score in a video game magazine would automatically be monstrously suspicious.
The major problem with his side is that everything except the basic rudiments of the game seems to have been wiped from his memory. Human memory is shit though, especially after the passage of decades, and especially especially when what you're remembering is something you were into during your youth/teenage years. A lot of who we were and what we did during those years is alien to us when we look back from adulthood. It's like another life. So I can't say "no way" just because of his lack of memory either.
I have to think, how many NES games did I defeat 25 years ago whose finer points I can't recall? Of course, absolutely crushing DK Junior would require a much deeper relationship with the game than anyone ever needed to have with an NES title, but memory of time spent plugging away at something can be shockingly feeble, no matter how intense an experience it was.
I'd forgotten totally about the underwater bomb-defusing level in the NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game until reading about it a few months ago in an article, and it instantly jogged my memory about that shit and how suicidally agonizing it was (though not many specifics came back).
For all any of us, including Calvin, knows, Calvin DID bump into the kill screen multiple times on the way to that big game, and even worked that into his strategy, but simply has no memory of any of it. Or he might have been close enough to objects on his other kill screens to incorrectly conclude that they're what killed him. Hard to say.
The score also might be some sort of "honest mistake," in the sense that he's not lying, he believes that he did it, but he's misremembering some critical detail, or perhaps several.
Specifically, I am extremely partial to Dean's "the score was written down incorrectly" theory. That is, 1,059,300 (or 1,025,900, or some such) was accidentally written down as 1,259,300. He rolled it, but the latter digits got misprinted somehow by the reporter. Anybody who has ever written these 7-digit scores down knows exactly how our brains like to screw with them, *especially when the number after a comma is a zero*.
Without detailing it specifically (this post is too long) that theory would explain and resolve virtually every issue. Calvin (and the arcade owner who showed up in the thread) could and would remember a big 1M+ game while easily forgetting whether it was 1.0 or 1.2.
They were really only adamant about the million. Not necessarily the digits after it. (And how could they be? How could Calvin remember the exact digits in the score of a specific game while not remembering how many points fruit-smashes are worth?)
The digit-fudging theory works for me: Calvin scored 1,0xx,x00 (with some mixture of a 2, 5, 9 and/or 3 in the "x" spots), and the real number got lost on the way to the paper. Simple. An innocent, and very common, mistake, everyone's memory is accurate to the extent of what they remember (and none of them have to be a liar), and the point-pressing is feasible. This theory just makes a whole lot of sense, more than any other.
Nobody has any right to be sure either way, though, and especially not because they (in Cat's words) "just know that something feels right." Intuiting that Calvin is honest, even if the intuition is correct, doesn't mean he wasn't mistaken about the exact score. I'm with Voltaire: "doubt is an unpleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
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Congrats Mike. It was fun watching some of your attempts.
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AWESOME JOB!! CONGRATS MIKE!!
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Congrats Mike if I didn't say so already. Also I would agree that Calvin got a 1,059 score and just no way he got a 1.259,000 score. Regardless of time if you play a game THAT long and then the local paper and media gets involved which people MAKE a big deal about it you would remember the details a lot more. Plus did he backjump leech the hideout or just normal jump leech? That is a HUGE difference in points over time. I would imagine the issue is he BROKE a million just not 1.2 million. Didn't think much about it and moved on. Has he concluded that he ABSOLUTELY got 1.2 million on the game or just that he rolled the score? Where is the PHOTO of the score on the machine? If that is that posted somewhere (Which would have been interesting and pertinent) then the argument goes away completely.
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It would be a very strange thing if both Calvin and the arcade owner were lying or misremembering that he rolled 1 million, so I've decided that I believe that part of it, because disbelieving it would necessitate that there's willful deceit going on and there's no need to get conspiratorial.
I don't think either of them were being deceptive, but I DO sense that Calvin might have been pretending to remember more than he actually did in response to Dean's questions, so as to back up his story. It would be frustrating to know that you did something and not be able to remember the answers to questions about the mechanics of it.
I beat Mike Tyson in Mike Tyson's Punch Out back in the day, and I have a friend who still refuses to believe it. The thing is, I'll be damned if I can remember anything about how I did it. If he started asking me for details, I would be tempted to research it. No evil motives, *I* know I did it, I'd just want to be able to be convincing in the face of doubt.
As for the question about why somebody would point press the hideouts to the point of getting 1M, it actually makes sense why someone would leech there (and the vines) even without knowing of the kill screen. Personal experience these last few weeks showed me why.
On several games I knew I had no shot at the kill screen, but I simply wanted to raise my personal best score, so on each cycle I just went for the easy hideout points because they were both hugely profitable and extremely low risk, whereas the very next screen (chains) was always going to present the greatest danger. So I said, "if it's my destiny to die on the next screen, I'd rather die with 350K than with 330K, so, time to hump sparks."
In other words, if I'm Calvin and I know that I can get a higher score while facing fewer iterations of the deadlier boards, of course I'm gonna do it that way, even without knowing of a kill screen.
Having said that, while 1.0 is possible with "casual" point pressing, 1.2 is a different story. For 1.2 you have to get the big fruit drops and timer bonuses, and therefore WOULD have to stick your neck out and seriously grind ass in a way that you wouldn't unless you knew that the game ended at L22.
It was a misprint. It had to be.
The thing is, even if it was only 1,0xx,x00, it doesn't change much. Cat was right to be interested in the score and to consider it significant, since it would have been the record (over Billy's) all the way up until 2008 (or 9, depending). Neither she nor Calvin himself really need to fight for it being 1.2 though because 1.0 is effectively the same, for the purposes of it being a "lost world record." It's just a whole lot more believable at 1.0. In fact, if 1,059 was the score brought to CAGdc, it might have never even been questioned.
Where Cat is wrong is the assertion that anyone, at any point, ever said that 1.2 million was "impossible." Nobody did. Not in 2009, not in 1982! What they said was that *this particular gamer* getting 1.2 was impossible without knowledge of the kill screen. Subtle but critical difference.
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Kasper links:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/donkey_kong_junior_arcade_has_a_new_world_record_holder (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/donkey_kong_junior_arcade_has_a_new_world_record_holder)
http://www.patrickscottpatterson.com/CultureKasper (http://www.patrickscottpatterson.com/CultureKasper)
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The PSP article showed an fact of information that is really scary. HE ONLY HAS BEEN PLAYING CLASSIC GAMES FOR THE PAST 8 MONTHS! Considering how he performed at the battle of the arcades this piece of information is outstanding. He basically can get almost any arcade record if he wants it.
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The PSP article showed an fact of information that is really scary. HE ONLY HAS BEEN PLAYING CLASSIC GAMES FOR THE PAST 8 MONTHS! Considering how he performed at the battle of the arcades this piece of information is outstanding. He basically can get almost any arcade record if he wants it.
Thats not totally true. Mike has been an avid gamer all his life. We basically grew up in arcades and around here ALL the tops scores in every arcade game read KEN... SAM or MAK (MAK is Mike) He has played megatouch games for cash and prizes as well as various consoles including classic compelations on those consoles.
It is true that he just recently began playing on dedicated cabinets again and the fact that he so quickly grabbed the DKJR record is very impressive. There is much much more to come, this is only the beginning. I see him swinging his way into the DARK TOWER very soon....
-Ken
PS: I find it funny that that douche PSP said "After reconnecting with an old friend" instead of my name and "at a sanctioned Twin Galaxies arcade" instead of naming it. Grow up already Patrick...
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PS: I find it funny that that douche PSP said "After reconnecting with an old friend" instead of my name and "at a sanctioned Twin Galaxies arcade" instead of naming it. Grow up already Patrick...
It's no secret that you, and PSP don't get along, but seriously, can't you just get over it and celebrate a great gaming achievement? You don't see Mark or Steve or Billy in here whining about some omission.
Great job Mike. I'm proud of you!
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Nevermind, you can have that one...
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PS: I find it funny that that douche PSP said "After reconnecting with an old friend" instead of my name and "at a sanctioned Twin Galaxies arcade" instead of naming it. Grow up already Patrick...
I'll play devil's advocate for ol' PSP: it's possible that this wasn't malicious, and that there's a chance he didn't consider naming you or the arcade to be all that relevant to the story.
But yeah, I have to admit that the article's Kenlessness seemed a little "forced." The Kencade isn't just any arcade...
Of course, I suppose it might also have been a coincidence that THIS (http://patrickscottpatterson.com/CulturePauline) went up the day after THIS (http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.com/2013/04/gender-bending-donkey-kong-hack-makes.html), with no attribution/link/cross-reference/shout-out/acknowledgment of any kind... on that day, or on any other occasion (http://www.patrickscottpatterson.com/CultureLemay.html) where it might have sorta been relevant to mention a particular blog which has, incidentally, never hesitated to give him whatever links/credit that were due... but whatever. I'll survive, somehow.
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i thought this would clear up the PSP debate. this was my complete answers to his questions.
From: Patrick Scott Patterson <PSP@patrickscottpatterson.com>
To: Michael Kasper <michaelkasper31@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: donkey kong jr.
I do these pieces feature-style... so feel free to elaborate all you wish.
1. How and when did you first start playing video games? When did you first discover Donkey Kong Junior? I was about 10 yrs old. The first arcade in hillsboro oregon opened called cosmos. my mom a bout a yr later dated the owner for about a yr. and thats when i got really good ( free play can do that LOL ) got out of CAG's by 14 and didnt really play them again until about 8 mths ago. when me and ken house reconnected. I didnt play JR all that much when i was younger. i cant remember for sure but i think my best back then was somwhere over 300K. just running through the boards. ( didnt know anything about pt pressing until 8 mths ago )
2. When did you realize you could take a shot at the world record? What obstacles did you encounter on the journey? Ken invited me to be on the team for the Battle of the arcades 2. and JR was one of the games. and it was a 1 hr limit. so i was just running boards and figuring out the best way to maximize in one hr. and when i ended up being high on JR in the BOTA. i thought hmm. i must be better than i thought LOL. so played a little. got a little better. and thought i think i can break this. I started analyzing every board and the maximum pts. and realized that ( and mark kiehl knows this also. ) that the WR really wasnt that high. ( well not high considering how many pts i think are really available. once i realized it was a beatable score. is when i realized i could do it. the obstacles i faced. were learning all the pt pressing techniques. and still maximizing my time efficiantly. IE when to wait for a multiple fruit drop and when to just take the single and move on. and then watching videos of several players. like mark kiehl. and dean saglio and george riley. and stealing most of there moves HEHE.
3. Describe your record setting game. How did you feel as you approached, and passed, the record?
Man i am going to sound so egotistical here LOL. but i only knew it was a matter of time. almost all my deaths. for over a mth while playing were just stupid mental lapses. and every game i played past 600k but 1 for the last 3-4 weeks before that game i was well ahead of WR pace. ( without saccing guys at the last hideout ). and even during my WR game all 3 of my deaths before the kill screen were just stupid deaths. 1 was a 0 board death. and one was a 8 K board death. imagine if i could have sacced those off at the hideout. and my last death was on the last hideout and i died about 12 k into that board. so way more missed pts. after i passed it . i was both relieved cause i had done it. and angry . cause i knew/know i could put up much higher. I have no doubt mark kiehl ( and possibly someone else. there are too many great gamers out there ). will beat my score. i would like to be the first to 1.4 mill. but i am taking a break for now . no more nightmares about jr for me LOL
4. What advice would you give to someone who was considering chasing a classic arcade record?
GET a MAME and create many save states. and play the boards over and over and over. and watch video's of others to learn all their tricks then add in your own .
5. Add in anything else you wish here. I would like to thank everyone that was so supportive in the gaming community. watching the streams and cheering me on . it helped a ton. and thank mark kiehl for being such a class act. and talking to me about strategy while trying to steal his record. ( i will be cheering him on as well ). and a very special thanks to KEN HOUSE> for giving me his MAME> and beleving in me. and giving us serioius gamers. a place to come and attempt these records.
stay tuned there is more to come :)
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Cool!
It's clear that PSP went in the direction of making things brief and reader-friendly (which I certainly can't fault). But it was interesting to read your answers.
Man i am going to sound so egotistical here LOL. but i only knew it was a matter of time. almost all my deaths. for over a mth while playing were just stupid mental lapses.
Story of my damn life on this game (DK too, but to a much lesser extent).
You have to get it "on the nose" in Junior way too much. Pixel perfect this, half-second perfect that...
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No mention of the striking young man whose BOTA title you usurped? ;D
Just kidding....awesome awesome job Mike
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It would be a very strange thing if both Calvin and the arcade owner were lying or misremembering that he rolled 1 million, so I've decided that I believe that part of it, because disbelieving it would necessitate that there's willful deceit going on and there's no need to get conspiratorial.
I don't think either of them were being deceptive, but I DO sense that Calvin might have been pretending to remember more than he actually did in response to Dean's questions, so as to back up his story. It would be frustrating to know that you did something and not be able to remember the answers to questions about the mechanics of it.
Calvin said his score showed up in the 2nd place position because after the rollover there was a score higher than his that remained in 1st on the scoreboard. It is very likely when someone reported the score for the article they looked at the 1st place position and added a 1 million to it, instead of the second place score. That would explain a misprinting of the score.
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PS: I find it funny that that douche PSP said "After reconnecting with an old friend" instead of my name and "at a sanctioned Twin Galaxies arcade" instead of naming it[/i]...
This posting mentions KenCade, at least...
http://www.retrogamenetwork.com/2013/04/30/record-high-score-for-classic-arcade-title-donkey-kong-junior-achieved-by-oregon-man/ (http://www.retrogamenetwork.com/2013/04/30/record-high-score-for-classic-arcade-title-donkey-kong-junior-achieved-by-oregon-man/)
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Any thoughts on why the score isn't up yet?
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Any thoughts on why the score isn't up yet?
I don't know. From personal experience something like this can take awhile. ;)
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The game is now gone from the Kencade past broadcasts. Twitch auto-deleted it. SHIT.
Y'all need to click "Save Forever" on stuff like this!