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Related Games => Donkey Kong Junior => Topic started by: marky_d on February 08, 2014, 01:24:07 am
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I'm sure most players, especially those who played back in the day, remember the infinite lives trick on Junior. This trick can be done on the jungle screen when playing a 2 player game. If while playing Player 2, you meet a blue snapper going down the 4th vine right at the water, it "warps" you and Player 1 is awarded and extra turn. If, in theory, you can perform this glitch every time, Player 1 can have infinite turns. Well, a few years ago when Dwayne Richard used to stream, he demonstrated a way to award Player 1 with 255 lives. The way it is done is to expire the game for the first player, then perform the trick on the second player. This will restart Player 1's game, only with 255 lives. I had never heard of this particular trick before, but evidently when you then play with Player 1, there are glitches all over the place...dead vines, weird climbing mechanics and sounds, etc. Dwayne said that also the birds will start flying upside-down, and who knows what else. Here is the link to his archive of this (you can skip to about 5 minutes in):
http://www.justin.tv/drdreaddr/b/258644974 (http://www.justin.tv/drdreaddr/b/258644974)
A couple of years ago I tried to replicate this on my machine just to explore the glitch, but every time I would try it would award the lives, then reset. I then tried it on MAME, but it awards the lives then freezes, but continues to play the music:
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a618/markydkiehl/glitch_zpse3ed2978.png)
So, if anyone has a machine and is bored one day you might want to play around with it and check it out and see if it works for you.
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<Tim> juced roms
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That is very interesting.
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http://www.justin.tv/drdreaddr/b/258644974 (http://www.justin.tv/drdreaddr/b/258644974)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a618/markydkiehl/glitch_zpse3ed2978.png)
Looks like the link is a dead link now. I wonder if it only works on one of the bootleg PCB's or just a different PCB for Jr.? Maybe try it in all versions in MAME? Also, if you do this on your Twitch you can also upload it directly to Youtube. Having two copies is always nice.
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Looks like the link is a dead link now. I wonder if it only works on one of the bootleg PCB's or just a different PCB for Jr.? Maybe try it in all versions in MAME? Also, if you do this on your Twitch you can also upload it directly to Youtube. Having two copies is always nice.
Yeah, I think JTV has gotten rid of all of the archives. I haven't tried it in different versions of mame, didn't think of that. Next time I run into another machine I'll try to do the trick and see if it works.
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I used to do that trick myself way back in the day after reading about it in, I think, Joystick mag or one of them. Not the 255 men but the 2-player play for ever trick.
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Yeah, it was Joystik. That's where I saw it first, anyways. I wonder who discovered that trick? It seems unlikely to just randomly stumble upon it.
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I will probably see Dwayne in a couple weeks. I'll try to remember to ask about this.
Hec
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The more I think about this the more I think it may be a different version, rom set, PCB, etc... The reason is, I did this in MAME a hand full of years ago and my player 1 lost his last life and when I did the trick I didn't get 255 lives.
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For anyone interested. I will be glitching Donkey Kong Junior Arcade this evening 8/16/14 to get the infinite guys, strange sounds, and upside down enemies. It will be around 11pm Eastern Standard Time. Please show up to my stream to see some real strange stuff on Donkey Kong Junior. I will be saving this stream and uploading it to youtube for you to see at another time, and will post it here. My stream is http://www.twitch.tv/clchambers00 (http://www.twitch.tv/clchambers00)
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Nice, I haven't seen some of the things Dwayne was mentioning that can happen.
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Let me know when you get this posted on Youtube. I looked for it on your Twitch ch. but sound was muted and I didn't know which video to look for.
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The video is uploading now. Should be available in a couples hours I think. What I think I will do is create new thread so that I can have control of the primary first post so I can use it to embed the video and chart out all the different attempts, what was tried, the results, what yet needs to be tried, what to avoid etc. Then keep updating it with new data. And of course I will link this there too so that people can reference it.
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I created a new thread for this discussion here: https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=1005.msg18197#msg18197 (https://donkeykongforum.net/index.php?topic=1005.msg18197#msg18197)
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I wonder who discovered that trick?
I should have known. :)
"This flaw, discovered by the incomparable Bill Mitchell, is popularly called the "trapdoor" method. Executed on the "vine" board, it allows the player to move back to earlier levels and re-gain lost men. This is even more significant since level "F" looms as a dead-end. By retreating to earlier boards, the player has the room to earn more points before running into the end of the game."
http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/tg-rules.htm (http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/tg-rules.htm)
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http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/tg-rules.htm (http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/tg-rules.htm)
From the link supplied by Mark, near the bottom of the page:
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/mars_hotel/DK%20High%20Score%20886000%201983_zpsly4hxp67.jpg)
A DK high score of 886,000 from 1983?
Whether officially recognized or not, this is the first I've heard of it.
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A DK high score of 886,000 from 1983?
Whether officially recognized or not, this is the first I've heard of it.
Yeah I saw that. Same for the 963k Junior score. Never heard of either of them.
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Both of those things are very interesting.
I'd never even considered this possibility, but given that the 255 lives trick was apparently publicized, it could have been read about and widely utilized. This would make it a solid alternative explanation (maybe the best yet?) for how the legendary Mr. Frampton could have achieved the puzzlingly high 1,2xx,xxx score that he got, without knowing any point-pressing techniques, or even knowing that the kill screen was coming. Just die like crazy and play lots of boards until L=F...
As for the 886K thing, that's even more interesting, because if true it would be semi-official confirmation of what we all pretty much know - that at the time <Tim> got the DK "world record" it wasn't actually the world record. That is to say, <Billy> (not to mention <Wiebe>) had unofficially gone well beyond 879K long before the year 2000.
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The timelines don't match up, but this article states a claimed score of 886,900 mad by Billy in the summer of 1982. Who knows, it may be related to the 886k score in the tg rules sheet.
http://www.twingalaxies.com/content.php/2548-The-Perfect-Man (http://www.twingalaxies.com/content.php/2548-The-Perfect-Man)
"That summer, Day got a call from a teenager named Billy Mitchell, who had read in Joystick magazine that someone had scored 1.4 million points in Donkey Kong. Mitchell told Day that he was sure the record was a fiction. “I said, ‘Bull-sugar,’†Mitchell recalls. “‘This guy is not telling you the truth.’†His reasoning was pure self-assured bravado: That couldn’t be the high score because he had only scored 886,900 at that point. “I thought, there’s no way there’s anybody as good as me, there’s just no way.†"
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FWIW they also mention some business about a Millipede bonus at 786k and that not only doesn't exist, but doesn't even fit with the bonus cycle math of every 15k, not even 12k or 20k bonuses. Some of the information on the document is dubious so I'm salting the document as I read it.
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I think that <Billy> had the 886K going into the Time Magazine event where he set the "iconic" 873K score. It's just that the 886K wasn't official.
He did the 873K in one shot, in public. So obviously he was comfortable going deep at that point, which would suggest that he'd probably beaten 873K before in private at least once.