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Wiebe's 885k
RTM:
--- Quote from: NightRider on May 26, 2020, 06:19:09 pm ---Robert has said this before multiple times:
--- Quote from: RTM ---My recollection of dealing with Steve for the first time is when he contacted me at my office immediately prior to the DK WR of 947K...he said he set a new WR but was playing at the wrong settings as I realized from the discussion (he had extra lives at start set to them max) so he said he would try again at 3+1 which he did.
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It strikes me as likely that the 885k score was done on the 6-man setting and was quietly removed once this was known. TG was not particularly transparent when it came to correcting errors. Do you remember if the 885k was done with 6-lives Wolff?
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RTM REPLY - when Wiebe first contacted me about a score that he did at the wrong settings he mentioned he was playing at 6+1 and I told him it s/h/b 3+1. That was the very first time I ever spoke with Steve and he did not mention having sent in any performance under those settings...he definitely did not send any to me until the 947.2K.
If the tape was sent to Walter then he would have been the one to authenticate it. I'm curious to know what Wolff will respond with as his role (and that of his brother) were different than mine at the time due to their technical skillset...they did more than typical referee-level work for TG
Snowflake:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/214252-More-Shenanigans-with-Respect-to-DK-Billy-and-Possibly-Walter-as-Well-these-from-1983-!!?p=1081831#post1081831
the missing scores in the link are of very reminiscent of this of steves pretty much unknown 885,900. i cant help but to notice 886,00 is just 885,900 rounded up. i wonder if walter talking about the 80s actually had his years wrong, and if both these questions answer each other. perhaps the mystery 886,000 score from 1983 was actually the 885,900 and walter was just confusing different events.
colecomeister:
--- Quote from: Snowflake on May 28, 2020, 03:43:54 pm ---https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/214252-More-Shenanigans-with-Respect-to-DK-Billy-and-Possibly-Walter-as-Well-these-from-1983-!!?p=1081831#post1081831
the missing scores in the link are of very reminiscent of this of steves pretty much unknown 885,900. i cant help but to notice 886,00 is just 885,900 rounded up. i wonder if walter talking about the 80s actually had his years wrong, and if both these questions answer each other. perhaps the mystery 886,000 score from 1983 was actually the 885,900 and walter was just confusing different events.
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Just a few updates.
Snowflake, I'm not entirely following the thread here - the 885,900 DK announcement was posted to the TG website in 2002; the reference to the 886,000 score was from the TG Rules circa 1983, which was higher than the verified TG score. It could have been Mitchell's personal best, in the same way he cited a PB of 909,000 in 1984:
885,900 - 2002 TG announcement on the Day Report (see Feb 13): https://web.archive.org/web/20020408172037/https://www.twingalaxies.com/cgi-perl/dayrep_Feb_2002.pl
886,000 - 1983 TG rules reference (see Section 17): http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/tg-rules.htm
To address the query about whether Wiebe's DK 885k score was done on 5 + 1 settings and thus quietly dropped after some time on the leaderboard, I spoke to Steve a while back and he stated that the 885k score was done on 3 + 1 settings. He also said that he dealt exclusively with Walter on the score, which is born out by RTM's experience and FirebrandX. Not to get in a battle over 20 year old recollections, but Steve recalled that the conversation about confirming settings pertained to DK Junior only, as the rules for that game when he checked briefly stated 5 plus 1. The discussion over DK Jr is born out by your announcement RTM of the DK Jr 1 million record on 10 September 2002:
https://web.archive.org/web/20021206223655/http://www.twingalaxies.com/cgi-perl/breaking_news.pl
Additionally, I think that the headline for Wiebe's TG announcement of his 947k score acknowledges the 885k score "between the lines":
"Donkey Kong Record Passes 900K" - "Steve Wiebe of Redmond, Washington is the first player to pass the 900,000 mark on Donkey Kong" with a link to RTM's forum post of Wiebe's game.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030730135517/http://www.twingalaxies.com:80/
I find it interesting that it talks about cross the 900k threshold instead of "Steve's first DK WR," for example.
Finally, there was an article reference in the TG archive - Walter often compiled article citations featuring TG members, and there was a list concerning Steve, I think most were related to his 947k DK score, but this one was related to his DK Jr million point game:
The game of his life: Richmond's Wiebe sets new world record in Donkey Kong Jr. (17 July 2002 - Eastside Journal, Bellevue, WA)
In outlining the process that Steve followed to achieve recognition of his DK Jr score, the writer mentions his existing DK record:
"Wiebe video-taped his record-setting performance and mailed it TwinGalaxies.com, a web site devoted to video game news, statistics and player rankings. His new score has yet to be published, but you can still find him on the site. He also holds the world record in Donkey Kong, the arcade version, with 885,900 points."
And this point as well when he bought a second cabinet to go for the WR (after selling the first one he used in his fraternity):
"Soon he felt the urge to buy another one. He purchased a classic arcade machine off Ebay and had it upgraded so it would play both Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. The final cost with shipping set him back more than $1,000."
davidbix:
Hi all, thanks for approving my registration. I'm no expert, but I've become more interested in all of the updates to the Mitchell saga, was digging around, found this thread, and then found something interesting that may shed light on this thread, even months after the recording surfaced. So between that and not being able to find a direct contact for RTM elsewhere, I figured I'd register and add it, since it looks like it wasn't showing up it last year's Google searches for "Steve Wiebe" with "885,900."
I don't know if this wasn't properly crawled when this thread was first active last year, or if TG added new archives, or what, but there IS a January 14, 2003 post from "permafrostick" in an archived thread on the TG forum that mentions Wiebe's 885k as the then-current record in TG standings:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/archive/index.php/t-109558.html
permafrostrick
01-14-2003, 10:44 AM
1.Is it true that Billy Mitchael got a million points on Donkey Kong?
1a.Has anyone gotten a million points on Donkey Kong?
Not sure if Billy ever did that or not. If he did it wasn't official cuz viewing the TG records Steve Wiebe has the record at 885,900. I really thought Billy had scored in the 920k range though...but perhaps wasn't verifiable.
1b.Who was the 1 player that got 1.6 million pts.in the 80's & wrote a how to book on Donkey Kong, I think I saw it in a video game magazine as the world record is there any validy to this record?
There was a thread on this....might be in the old tg forums forum here.
The 1.6 million was a hoax...I think technically the guy predicted what he would have had for score or started a new game after the kill screen giving himself however many men he had left entering the kill screen in the previous game. Either way his score was bogus.
2.What is the current World record that was set by Steve Wiebe at 968,+ pts. if I'm correct?
If the TG online scores are current, it's 885,900 by Steve.
10.What are the top 7 scores for Donkey Kong & what are there names?
A simple search of the TG scores database at this web site will show you the top scores. I have no idea if new ones are going into the 2nd edition.
I have no idea what this means in the grand scheme of things. But right there in black and white is contemporaneous post from January 2003 saying TG had 885 as the record at that time.
Any thoughts? Is this just a whole lot of nothing or does this help illuminate certain things to people who know much more about this than I do?
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