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Wiebe's 885k
RTM:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020408172037/https://www.twingalaxies.com/cgi-perl/dayrep_Feb_2002.pl
Hello fellow gamers:
This was brought to my attention this evening out of the blue by a gamer who spotted this while doing research via the Wayback Machine.
There is a blurb here (link above), written by Walter Day in Feb/02, having to do with Donkey Kong...
-> It mentions a new score by Steve Wiebe of 884K...a score I never verified, never received a tape for nor even knew about
-> It mentions Bill had a new score of 950K which he would be submitting on tape of 950K...a score which I also never received a tape for nor even knew about
-> Neither of these two scores was ever entered into the TG database back then
-> Other than this blurb neither score is ever mentioned by Walter again...
https://www.twingalaxies.com/archive/index.php/t-118669.html
Note that in the link immediately above, written by Walter much later, it mentions that as of 2004 Steve's 947K score was the top score...the one that I DID verify, and it mentions both Tim's and Bill's scores...but it lists Bill only at 933K which is a different performance
My recollection of dealing with Steve for the first time is when he contacted me at my office immediately prior to the DK WR of 947K...he said he set a new WR but was playing at the wrong settings as I realized from the discussion (he had extra lives at start set to them max) so he said he would try again at 3+1 which he did. Steve did NOT mention anything about previous dealings with TG or Walter, and when I contacted Walter/Billy to let them know after the initial call that a gamer broke Bills' score (notice I said Bill as I knew nothing of Tim at the time), neither Walter nor Bill said a single word about any conversation with Steve from as far back as 18 months earlier. And in that entire 18 months there was no mention of Steve Wiebe with respect to DK on the TG forum or even communication with my few fellow referees at the time.
So, my question...just what the heck happened in truth back in early 2002 when Walter posted what he did...with NO major fanfare, no scores entered into the TG database, and never a single follow-up about that 950K performance.?
Stinks to the high heavens...makes you wonder why such high-profile news, not just one but two new DK WR announcements, were given such little fanfare or even follow up by Walter. I was appointed TG's chief referee on 7/01/01 and this news was never shared with me when he wrote it in early 2002, nor was it mentioned once Steve submitted 947K 18 months later, and that includes the parts related to both Steve and Bill. How very strange indeed.
Robert
FBX:
@RTM,
My recollection is very vague from it being something like 18 years now, but I remember Walter sending me a box of tapes to make video excerpts from for movie clips to be shown on the TG web site for promotional purposes. In that box was Steve's 885K (or whatever the exact score was). I remember watching it and then contacting Walter, who then went into a weird panic about how I should never have gotten that tape. He had me immediately ship it back out after I made some video clips of it for the web site, and I don't recall if he had me send it back to him or to someone else. Apparently that is the 'lost' Steve tape I'm guessing? But yeah I watched it and made a few highlight clips as that was a duty Walter was having me to do for several video tapes. Those clips are long gone as they were on a PC some 3 or 4 generations ago, and I've had hard drive failures since then where I lost everything I had. TG should have had their own copy of the clips, since they were uploaded to the web site, but it would have been up to the site owner to make backups, which likely didn't happen.
colecomeister:
The link to the old TG video archive that FirebrandX set up is found here:
https://www.twingalaxies.com/firebrandx/video/
Unfortunately, the Wayback Machine did not crawl the video .zip files. I'm not sure if Jace has access to an older iteration of the TG website - my understanding is that the site was basically "rebuilt" when it was purchased by Adler. It's possible that somewhere, a TG member downloaded these clips back when the old site was live and kept them on a forgotten PC. Not sure how you'd put the call out to see if the crew that visited the site circa 2002-2003 might still have them, maybe worth a TG wall post to start things off...
Snowflake:
steve's "884k" score in that link (actually 885,900) was indeed mentioned again in a thread (though not be walter) you were part of robert so you did know about it at the time you just apparently later forgot. if this thread is accurate then it was entered in the scoreboard.
https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/109558-Anyone-get-a-Million-pts.on-Donkey-Kong-&-questions?p=557734#post557734
the same link firebrandx references videos that sadly can no longer be referenced.
i'm also not understanding the issue. I know part of the informal case against billy is that he'd have tapes that beat steve but pull the tape is steves record got pulled implying he'd only cheat as a last resort and pull his cheated score if he didnt need it. is the implication here simliar? that bilys score was fake but once steves score was pulled so was billys? if thats not the implication i'm not understanding what the problem is.
colecomeister:
The main catalyst was to confirm via TG sources that Wiebe submitted a 885k score in 2002 (he mentioned this fact in an interview but it was not widely known, possibly lost in the coverage of the 947k submission). So first and foremost its historical interest. I don't think anyone recalled that Day basically staked out that Mitchell had surpassed 885k with a pending tape submission of 950k, more or less giving Mitchell's unofficial claim the limelight. That's also for historical interest, not directly related to the larger dispute review per se.
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